Mike and Jason discuss their recent debate with a former Presbyterian minister who departed from the Christian faith to become a Roman Catholic. The debate proved that "religion" is one of the most powerful tools used by the devil to blind unbelievers from the light of the Gospel and the glory of Christ. Mike made a statement that proved to be a prophetic theme of the two-day debate. He said, “The Bible is what God says and religion is what man says God says.” It was heartbreaking to see stubborn-hearted Catholics continue to reject the glorious Gospel of grace.