Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/07/07 03:24:12 PM |
Age 41, GA |
I know that Billy Graham used to believe in the narrow way, but now he's been hanging around with a bunch of seminary grads and perhaps influenced by their educated, liberal doctrines. We all know that highly educated christians are more liberal than their uneducated counterparts. That's why gay pastors and gay marriages are being ordained in the churches, because they are dominated by a minority of intellectual elites. Billy Graham should have BRAGGED that he never went to seminary school, instead of lamenting about it.
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Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 02/14/07 04:50:56 PM |
Age 29, IA |
Are you saying that John 14:6 is incorrect?
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Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 11/22/06 05:26:43 PM |
Age 36, GA |
The article itself as well as most of the responses, reflect again what I have felt for years... that fundamentalists and "reformed" Christians are the meanest people I know.
Lord, save me from the Christians.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 09/03/06 06:49:11 PM |
Age 54, WA |
Desmund Tutu is an apostate. I have done my research on why this is so. If your that interested, crack the books and research his quotes for yourself.
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Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/28/06 03:40:28 AM |
Age 60, UK |
As a ministry in the UK we have shared similar concerns about many statements made by Billy Graham, over decades now, in the name of Biblical Christianity and on our 'Take Heed' Ministries website you can listen to a talk given by myself, Cecil Andrews, on this topic.
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Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/25/06 06:18:45 PM |
Age 75, MI |
This is a reply to the man who you asked for a reply to his reply.
I often answer someone who believes there are two rights. There is only one right. It is IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE TWO THINGS OPPOSITE FROM EACH OTHER BE RIGHT! You take the color red for an example. Now you could believe that color is not red, with all your being,but some other color, and you will be wrong, because the truth is the color is RED. So goes with a lot of other beliefs going around these days. Truth is truth. You can't get around it. No way!
Norma Gage
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Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/25/06 06:07:30 PM |
Age 75, MI |
The first word in Ingrid's article that my eye caught was the word GOOD Jew, and all the other religions. The Bible says in Matthew 19:16-17 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thng shall I do, that I may have eternal life? and He said unto him, WHy callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." So, that answers the question about a "GOOD" man entering into eternal life. No one is good, except God. So how does one enter into eternal life? Is there one person who has ever in his life kept all the commandments? NO! So, then how. By accepting Jesus Christ as ones own personal Savior.John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Veril, verily, I sayunto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." As I often say, "GO Figure".
Norma J. Gage
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Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/25/06 10:34:09 AM |
Age 57, FL |
Usually when confronted with the question from others concerning whether a Hindu etc. will be received into Heaven I reply: If a person took a poison like cyanide and three persons standing in the room with you all offered their sympathies but only one of the individuals actually had an antidote for the poison who would you go to?
Jesus Christ is the only one who provide an antidote for sin by shedding his own blood for an atonement for sin. It's as simple as that. God to anyone else and you die [eternally].
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Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/20/06 11:02:29 PM |
Age 47, MO |
I have been disappointed with some of the things that Billy Graham has said and done. In recent years, Billy Graham has put too much focus on speculating on an imminent Rapture. It appears that every preacher who spends too much time on bad eschatology winds up saying other things which are theologically screwy. I hope and pray that Franklin Graham will learn from his father's late-in-life mistakes, put an end to Rapture speculation at his father's organization, and focus it completely on service and the Great Commission.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/16/06 12:30:33 PM |
Age 57, VA |
Ok. I have to be honest. I just read your site, which is a little unusual. But what I deduce you to be saying is that if we ALL would use our minds in a way that was consistent and non-contradictory concerning our interpretations of the bible, we would be able to "get it," get the right interpretation and then we'd all be on the same page and then we'd be able to explain the proper interpretation, rather than coming up with all of these different contradictory interpretations like we do. On top of that we have to learn to look at the whole big picture rather than just a small piece because our small piece interpretation has to line up with the large whole picture. If this is what you are saying than in that case, I agree with you and apologize for misunderstanding you and speaking against you. However, there is a devil and it is his assignment to cause exactly the end effect that we see. He gets people to settle for contradictions in their personal interpretations of scripture. He blinds their eyes, minds, thoughts etc. And this is what we get. Confusion and contradiction in interpretations. What I cannot say I agree with is your definition of Grace. When I clicked on the various teachings I could only pull up the "Jesus has two messages" explaination. The others whould not come up. Therefore it is possbile that your definition of grace is way off. I have no way of knowing at this point. Simply said, the bible does not contradict itself, it will interpret itself. I have to say your way of putting it is rather unusual. I feel like I went around my elbow to get to my hand. If I could pull up the other teachings I would be able to know if I could completely agree with you. So I will try again. God bless you and sorry also to 30 in IN. Thanks for hanging in there.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/15/06 10:39:53 PM |
Age 57, VA |
Yeah, if you go back and read the comment he first commented on, you will see he was not in agreement with that person. And then he just talked in foolish circles, as if his logic was logical! There are those who press in to know what the word actually says and there are those who like to have their own interpretations, based on their own reasonings. These are the ones who say, "who are you to say your interpretation is the only one?" The argument that we need to use our the mind God gave us is a moot point. We can't even read the bible without using our minds. But we have to spiritually discern the Word of God. We cannot just use our own good reasonings.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/15/06 12:16:28 PM |
Age 30, IN |
I think I understand better now where you were coming from - and I actually agree with just about everything you said here. Funny - because I see the proper use of reason and sound thinking as a wonderful, God-given ANTIDOTE to precisely the kind of emergent-ish, feel-good relativism that you are concerned about. I guess I hadn't read 40 VA as subscribing to a bald relativism like that, where "all perspectives are equally valid," etc. But I don't know exactly what they meant, then. I took them to be saying that it isn't mere belief that's important; it's CORRECT belief that's important, and if that's right, then we need to properly divine the meaning of the text prior to settling on a belief. And that, to me, sounds perfectly correct. Yes, that opens the door to questions like "how do we know which interpretation is correct?" but the answer to that is not "they are ALL equally correct." We MUST ask (and attempt to answer) that question; else, we have no way of correcting error, no authority to identify heresy, no way to discriminate good from bad interpretations. Anyway, I don't know what the poster had in mind, exactly; but thanks for your thoughts on the matter.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/15/06 12:02:41 PM |
Age 30, IN |
Firstly, if your point is that reason alone is not sufficient for a full understanding of, or relationship with, God, then we are in perfect agreement - but I already said just that in my previous comments ("our limited rational faculties cannot always reliably discern [God's] truth"). Secondly, I don't think the fact that we have difficulty explaining some things should make us lose a general reliance upon our faculties; it would be like denigrating the use of our eyes because we can't see microscopic features, or like having a general DIStrust of memory, because it is sometimes faulty, or like refusing to ever make oneself vulnerable with other people, because sometimes they let us down. But "we walk by faith, not by sight" doesn't mean "never use your eyes" or "place no reliance on vision;" that would be to error in the same way that relying ONLY on sight - counting it as ENOUGH - would be in error. Likewise, then, it should be "faith seeking understanding," using our rational faculties as far as they will go in order to strengthen the faith that ultimately takes us beyond them. Logic is not sufficient, but it's certainly necessary.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/15/06 10:21:21 AM |
Age 57, VA |
That is the Problem. There is no substance. When a person thinks there is no right interrpretation of the scriptures there is no substance. Their reasonings and thoughts become vanity. Anyhting goes. 40 Va started off by saying "The issue isn't whether we believe the word or not. The issue is whether you are sure of what it means. What if two people both say they believe the word and have different interpretations?" I say that the problem with people like this is there is no pinning them down. Anything goes and to be honest they like it that way. Why dig to see if thier interpretation lines up with the rest of scriputre? They would rather take Christ on their own terms rather than on Christ's terms. These people are like water runnning through your fingers, clouds tossed in the wind. They like things loose so they can live "loose." Make it up as you go! What ever you think. After all didn't God give us a mind? Actually this conversation is one I might have with my New Age sister or an EmergentsRUS. Sad, Sad, Sad day we live in. People are just tooo smart for their own britches. And at the same time they want to FEIGHN humility saying "who can know for sure the mind of God or the Real meaning of scriptures, when their real motives are to live whatever way they want to under "sloppy agape" and "Racey Gracey"(the kind that allows you to be just as racey or worldly as you think you can get away with under your own interpretation of scriputre.) This is just someone who likes to make excuses and find loop holes. And that is all I have to say about this matter.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/15/06 09:35:41 AM |
Age 43, WI |
I couldn't say it any better than the poster from Indiana...ALL of this takes reasoning. So when you condemn someone for reasoning, you are opening yourself up to judgment.
There are four principles that ALL the tools are based on that people use in order to understand the Bible. These tools show the flaws in the apologetic, hermeneutic, etc. tools when they are misused. These principles are: non-contradiction, causality, contrastive thinking, and growth.
Every person holds others to the standards of these logic tools, yet most people try to avoid them personally...I think there is a word for this type of behavior.
If you really want to know the answers to some of these questions, I can provide them by using these tools. I don't mean that to be a "shot". I mean it to be an offer to rationally explain (for example) "faith" in such a way that you can understand how to have more faith in the next five minutes.
The explanation is at modelinggod.com or contact me personally at the website. I think the issues you bring up are extremely important.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/14/06 10:50:48 PM |
Age 30, IN |
Hmm... That reply is about as appropriate or relevant as would be the following to you: "Vanity! Vanity! Thinking that you, in your limited human abilities, have succeeded in discerning the exact meaning of the Corinthians passage! Such pride - to presume that you know better than all others what God meant to convey there! Do you have a PhD in Biblical Hermeneutics?" That would be a plainly silly reply, right? Too bad - it would have been nicer to engage with you on matters of substance...
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/14/06 10:10:11 PM |
Age 57, VA |
So tell me logically where and how God stores the hail. Tell me logically how tithing works. Tell me logically how God gets the water on the beach to come this far and no more. Tell me logically how God hung the stars in the sky. Tell me logically how your prayers are answered. Tell me logicaly how faith works. Tll me logically how God parted the Red Sea. Tell me logically how a virgin gave birth to God. If God was understood logically, we would not need faith.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/14/06 09:58:01 PM |
Age 57, VA |
Vanity! Vanity! Are you a mensa person?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/14/06 05:39:19 PM |
Age 30, IN |
If that passage refers to "logical" or sound thinking or reasoned inference or the use of our rational faculties, then we have a severe problem; for it is with our rational faculties that we deduce the meaning of that passage in the first place! And it was with the use of YOUR rational faculties that you responded to the previous poster, by fashioning a logical argument intended to show that poster to be in error. It's a bit incoherent to use "logic" to undermine the usefulness of logic, don't you think? All the more reason to think that the quoted passage isn't at all referring to LOGIC or sound thinking or the use of our rational faculties, or the employment of reason. Now certainly, many of the CONCLUSIONS to which people come, on the basis of what they take to be reasonable grounds, are false; but that fact hardly recommends a distrust of the use of reason. That passage suggests that many of the beliefs accepted by the culture at that time - common sense to them - were false; it does not suggest that God is somehow "illogical" or "above logic" or "against reason." He can be "against common sense" or "contrary to the majority view of things;" but God is "bound" to be logically consistent because it is his nature to be Truth (even if our limited rational faculties cannot always reliably discern that truth!)
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Re: Re: Re: Does Billy Graham Believe in Narrow Way?
| Posted On: 08/14/06 05:27:34 PM |
Age 30, IN |
What did Tutu MEAN by that statement? What was the CONTEXT? Or did you just read those words and hasten to the worst possible conclusion? Could he have meant "he was illegitimate according to the standards of legitimacy at the time" or "he had no earthly biological father, and so was illegitimate" or "he was not the product of the normal reproductive methods, and so was illegitimate" or any of a host of other more metaphorical meanings? Forgive me for being blunt, but your quickness to judge without charity reminds me of the Pharisees. Perhaps Tutu is an apostate; perhaps he meant something horribly heretical by his statements; and then again perhaps not. I pray you didn't take just those few words as evidence of his apostasy, as your comments suggest you did!
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