Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 08/09/06 10:40:40 PM |
Age 46, NC |
you stated in your response "Still, I'd say those in the Catholic church are encouraged to read the Word." no actually quite the opposite. those in the catholic church are all but forbidden to read the Word for themselves - "they wouldn't understand it and only the priests can interpret it". i came out of the catholic church because i didn't believe their lies and many years later found salvation. the catholic church prays to a Jesus who is still hanging on the cross and to a dead human being named mary who has no influence on the Father because "Jesus is too important and busy to listen to our prayers." many catholics believe the bible is a nice bunch of stories but well not truly reliable cause "they written by men". still think the catholic church isn't the whore of babylon?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 08/02/06 08:41:40 AM |
Age 40, FL |
Karen,
Great testimony of the power of prayer. I agree with your observations............ Since Vatican II, I understand most parishes can do the catechism classes and services in English. I know several people who were saved in the Catholic church and later left. They heard the Gospel in the Catholic church. These may have been isolated parishes, but still they heard the Truth and came to a knowledge of their sins and their need for the Savior, Jesus. We need to reach out to the Catholics with the Truth, not just bashing them as the author of this article and most people, who never see Catholics being saved, do.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/31/06 03:08:07 PM |
Age 57, VA |
My Dad was Catholic and my Mom was a non-practicing Baptist, who signed papers and agreed-promised-the Catholic Church she would raise her children in the Catholic church in exchange for the "privilege" of being allowed to officially marry in a Catholic ceremony. If my Dad was not married by a Priest,it was grounds for x- communication!- Never able to take communion again in the Church! Since Mom would agree to their terms, everyone was happy. The church would agree to marry them, she did not have to convert, the Catholic Church had a stab at the next generation, Dad's family was somewhat happy, and Dad's conscience was cleared. (He never went to church with us; he dropped us kids off each Sunday. After Catechism we sauntered into the church for Mass, the girls with their veils on, all of us carrying our little missiles and rosaries, prepared to listen to another grueling hour and a half of LATIN- and, can you believe,without the parents who strived so hard to be married by the church! Hey, this suited the church and the parents-do as I say, not as I do! Notice, the church wasn't concerned about Mom's soul, but rather they were after the next generation. For 12 years, not hit and miss, but EVERY Sunday, I, with my four siblings, attended Catechism and never heard a single bible story taught or a scripture read. We studied and talked about the catechism. Then we were sent home to memorize portions and come back the following week prepard to recite them. Each one of us had to quote the laws of the church and there were enough for 12 years. We had to be able to say and quote rules and laws and prayers verbatim with big words way above our age of understanding. During the summer we broke the rules and attended my Baptist Grandma's church in SC. I felt bad because we were instructed not to go into other churches, but she was my grandma! She also taught Sunday school and brought her Bible and read it each night when she visited us. I could never understand why she wasn't going to heaven too! It was implied to us that we were the True Church and we were the only ones getting there, because we WERE Catholic. Very confusing. Especially when the Priests partied down with my Dad at funerals, weddings and the like. So if a catholic picks up a bible, not a catholic one with all the added books-it is a real work of the Holy Spirit in their life. Pretty much, a catholic is not going to get saved by listening to a nun or a priest. That is just the way it is! I left the church after being married in it and then divorced at age 19. I understood that divorce was a sin, but I couldnt understand why I would be X-communicated, never entitled to take communion again for life, if a remarried. What about forgiveness? Of course there was one loop hole- annulment. But as I was taught in Catechism, annulment was only for those who had never consummated their marriage, yet many were getting them anyway. I saw that as a bigger lie and wanted no parts of it just to remain in the good graces of the Church. I left and went my own way, until age 30, when I got born again. I think my Baptist grandma was one who helped pray me in finally! What do you think? Karen
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/31/06 09:11:04 AM |
Age 40, FL |
I guess they don't learn any of the Word of God in catechism classes.
I've been misinformed.
Still, I'd say those in the Catholic church are encouraged to read the Word. I'm not a Catholic and have been in several services. (no, I didn't do all that kneeling stuff) And some, find the Truth thru reading the Word while still in the Catholic church, and they come to a knowledge of their sins and a their need for the Savior.
Would you say that those in the Catholic church are hearing less truth and are less likely to be saved than those who are in the Rick Warren types of churches?
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Re: Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/31/06 08:23:53 AM |
Age 40, FL |
I'm sorry Todd, I don't see the description of the harlot in Rev 17 and 18 matching the Catholic church. There are some points that do match but there are several specifics that do not match.
If the description of the harlot, babylon the great is specific, and it doesn't match the Catholic church on all the specific points, why go there?
How do you reconcile this title you're puting on the Catholic church with 1 Cor 12:3. If you ask any devout Catholic who is the Lord, they will tell you Jesus is Lord.
How can this harlot, which is a city, a seaport (Rev 18:17, 19) be the Vatican (Catholic church)? Rome has no seaport.....it's inland.
The passage referring to the 7 hills/mountains also makes specific the interpretation of those hills/mountains to be 7 kings. Rev 17:9,10 Don't you have to go off of the meaning of the passage, especially when it's specific?
Again, I know that the Catholic church is in error, has done many things to hurt the body of Christ, and is leading many away from the Truth.
It truly seems that we're stretching the passage to match the Catholic church.I don't think your argument is exegetically sound, even for the laity.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/30/06 01:12:09 AM |
Age 44, TX |
Becky, 37 TX was right on. She was revealing that the sinners in the catholic church have NO way to hear the Word of God within their religion which withholds the Scriptures - which reveal the way of salvation to be Christ Jesus alone. So, they are trapped and must be reached by the true church/believers.
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Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/30/06 01:08:02 AM |
Age 44, TX |
Take a "chill pill" and stop earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the saints? Nah, not me. I will keep sounding the alarm and hope you will too. It is Satan would have us to be "at ease in Zion" (Amos 6:1). Some of the errancy in the evangelical world is addressed in the "Deceivers & False Prophets Among Us" book. www.SafeGuardYourSoul.com God Bless You.
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Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/30/06 01:03:12 AM |
Age 44, TX |
Wow good observation about Rick Warren. Did you see the Rick Warren page on the SafeGuardYourSoul.com site? it's on the ARTICLES page under "EXPOSE'"
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Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/30/06 12:58:15 AM |
Age 44, TX |
Thank you for responding. Read the description of this mother of harlots. It clearly fits the catholic church as most scholars agree. Islam is not a city that sits upon seven hills, but the vatican is centered in rome, the city on 7 hills. Also the catholic church is drunken with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus - they killed 68 million Bible believers during the inquisitions. I don't have room here to show how the catholic church has fought the Bible for centuries, much less establish Christian doctrine. Get Dave Hunt's book titled "The Woman Rides the Beast." thebereancall.org todd
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Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/29/06 02:02:28 PM |
Age 22, FL |
To quote"No religion in history has done more to pervert the name of Christ than the Roman Catholic Church, which God will destroy in one hour - see Rev. 17-18."
Where'd you get that one from...God's going to destroy the Catholic church in one hour....meaning the leadership, priests, lay people, the Vatican, the buildings, or all the above....would you like to predict that one? You're saying these Chapters refer to the Catholic church....she is mystery, Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes, and of the abominations of the earth???? Sorry dude, you're way out there!!!
Let's see.....Islam would kinda top my list of religions that have peverted the name of Christ, even inspite of current events.
How about the other quote, even though I agree with you that Catholicism is wrong.
No religion in history has done more to ensure the establishment of the Doctrines of the church, and to combat heresies, than the Catholic church. Need I say "Creeds?"
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Re: Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/29/06 09:53:26 AM |
Age 40, FL |
I'm sorry, I don't get it. You're saying a sinner in the Catholic church is different from the sinner in our First Baptist Church.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
Regardless of whether or not they go to a "good" church/denomination/religion, they're sinners, plain and simple.
Unless they/we repent and turn from their/our sins and follow Jesus, they/we all.... regardless of the teacher/minister/priest/facilitator/medium they're listening to....will end up in hell, punished for their sins.
Yes, Jesus is the Only Way to the Father.
Regardless of how good/bad/evil the religious organization is or teaches, they and we are all sinners..... very few follow the difficult Way, and go thru the Gate (Matt 7).
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Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/29/06 07:37:05 AM |
Age 56, AR |
If you want to hear the mantra of mantra's, turn on the Catholic channel some time. I was flipping through one day and there was Mother Angelica, repeating over and over, the rosary. "Mother mary, full of grace, blessed art thou among women. Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Bless us sinners now and at the hour of our death." Although I didn't quote it exactly right, you get the gist of it. I had forgotten how rediculous the teaching in that church is, praying to the mother of Jesus, who is dead and will be raised from the dead as we will, if the Lord tarry's. The reason this is the religion of the day, is because it's the biggest thing going on, religiously. If it were Islam or Muslim, that would be what Mr. Tomasella would be warning us about, most fervently. The Catholic and evangelical communities are growing exponentially. The Catholic's have taken up charging their congregants money for advice on what to do when they confess their sins to the priest rather than to each other. This is a practice that hasn't been practiced for years and years. I can't remember it ever happening in my lifetime. They believe they are the one true church and everyone else outside of that teaching will burn in hell. How sad!!They're so steeped in it, it is very hard to talk to them about the Lord. I wish we would hold fast to our beliefs as those who practice any false teachings. Many people leave a good bible teaching church to go to this religion. "They went out from us because they were not of us." When I was a child, I attended a Catholic church with a friend. It was very traditional and formal. You didn't dare walk in the church without a, what I call a doily, on your head. You didn't enter without dipping your fingers in "Holy water." You didn't sit until you made a sign of the cross. The choir would sing Latin from the balcony behind you. The priest would speak in mantras. They are now today, trying to speak TO the congregants rather than repeating a mantra. It reminds me of what the evangelical churches are doing to lure people into the church for numbers sake.
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Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/28/06 01:30:01 PM |
Age 51, ID |
I agree whole-heartedly.
Is the image of Rick Warren starting to look like that of mother Teresa?
Maybe that would be a good follow-up issue.
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Re: Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/27/06 09:11:49 PM |
Age 37, TX |
You are quite right that there are sinners in every church and every denomination out there. However, when you say "But their congregations are filled with the same lost sinners...", this is untrue. They are not the "same lost sinners" because the sinners in the catholic church are being led astray by the false teachers/priests/nuns. These sinners, when following the false teachers of the day, STAY unforgiven sinners and ultimately end up in the eternal damnation of hell. The sinners who follow the teachers that preach & teach the WHOLE gospel are the ones who teach the only Way to the Father is Jesus Christ....not buddah, allah, mary or anyone else. -becky
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Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/27/06 04:00:10 PM |
Age 40, FL |
ARRRRRRGGGGGG! I went back and finished the article.
There's going to be a part 4.
It's like Rocky. Will there be 8 or more parts?
Can't we just go to www.SafeGuardYourSoul.com and learn the truth about the Catholic church and mother Theresa? Won't we find out all the facts, and the references there, as well as finding all the cool resources, for sale?
Thanks for the information, but the information is toooooooooo lengthy.
To quote a "Catholic", "Keep it pithy, please, as you opine!"
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Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/27/06 03:53:44 PM |
Age 40, FL |
Man, I thought all the mother Teresa bashing was over...with the first...or the second installment.
She's dead already. Let it go! Take a chill pill!
Yes, the Catholic church holds the teachings of the church and the traditions of man as high and sometimes, it seems, higher than Scripture.
Yes, we can all agree that there are problems with the Catholic church.
But their congregations are filled with the same lost sinners that are in the average Bible-believing, mainline denomination, fundamentalist, evangelical, charismatic, pentecostal, holiness, church.
They're all in need of a Savior. Unless they/we all repent of our sins, turn from them, put our trust in Jesus alone for our Salvation, and follow Him, they/we shall all be lost.
May the Lord Bless you as He uses you share His Gospel with the lost.
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Re: MOTHER TERESA - Example of Christian Love? Or Worldwide Hoax? Part 3
| Posted On: 07/27/06 02:20:14 PM |
Age 29, WA |
You hit the nail on the head Todd!
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