Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 04/04/07 11:39:10 PM |
Age 36, MN |
Isn't JPUSA affiliated with the Evangelical Covenant? I know the Evangelical Covenant is getting really deep into Church Growth philosophy and 'experience' and mysticism and most conservative Christians still in the denomination are totally naive as to what is going on.
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/22/06 05:04:10 PM |
Age 26, IL |
I am greatly disappointed in the way this issue is being addressed. Christ confronted people to their faces, not as an expose behind their backs. It seems that the team only saw 2 tents and 1 vendor booth, which is a very small portion of Cornerstone. That being said, I'm not trying to downplay what was witnessed at those locations as I was not in attendance at those particular events, but if something didn't coincide with the Bible, it needs to be addressed in a Christ-like manner. I was at several other events at Cornerstone 2006. Both seminars I attended, one at the Gender Revolution tent, discussed biblically accurate material. The 3 merchandise tents hosted vendor booths that gave away Scipturally accurate literature, the One Truth booth being one example. The concerts were amazing. One highlight for me was being led in prayer by the lead singer of a hardcore band. He also talked about loving as Christ loves. Two years ago, I heard Josh McDowell speak at mainstage. And last year David Nasser gave his testimony. You should check that out. Also, one does not have to be "covert" at Cornerstone. People expect to receive several pieces of literature. And yes, some people do dress differently than mainstream America, but that does not make them any less Christian. I love the fact that people can dress differently and no one cares. You can't expect 20,000 people to attend and have everyone be the same. Christ made us to be individuals. So a covert mission trip makes no sense. I can worship Him wearing black or bright purple, with or without tattoos. I could go on about Cornerstone, the God-moments I experienced, the lessons I learned, the concerts, and the fun, but that could take a month. Reading the blog made it sound like Cornestone is solely meant to twist the Truth and that is an absolute disservice to the intelligent God honoring Christians that attend. It is unfair to publicize a biased view and present it as the picture of a whole.
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Re: Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/21/06 11:02:42 PM |
Age 46, NC |
Intolerance - yes Christians are often called intolerant when we call sin evil and denounce it. One of my unsaved sisters asked me what happened to tolerance when we were discussing witchcraft and islam. i told her God was NOT a tolerant God and that you do things His way or you end up in hell. there is no hedging, hemming, or compromising with God. He has told us what is right and what is evil. Anything not of God is of satan. Period. No questions. It is up to us to read His Word and know what He expects from us and what He has determined is sin. We are NOT to tolerate evil nor are we to call evil good.
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/18/06 04:44:16 PM |
Age 20, IL |
You accuse Cornerstone and many Christians today of being influenced by feminism and the world. Yet what if your beliefs are influenced by patriarchy and the world? What if you are starting not from the Bible but from a desire to keep our patriarchical society running as it has been for so many years, and then using the Bible to justify that? I enourage anyone reading this to more deeply consider the writings of Christians for Biblical Equality.
Humbly in Christ,
Feminist Man
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/18/06 04:01:18 PM |
Age 54, WA |
Thank you for your hard work on this, and for your courage in entering the lion's den. I have had internet dealings with CBE types. I had no idea that they had gone so deep into paganism, but you have presented the smoking-gun evidence. I just suspected it. You have proven it categorically. Good work.
I am shocked at the Pasantino connection, too. That's really, really weird. What were they doing there?
All you dear ones who are being sucked into this heresy need to flee far and fast. Don't look back.
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Re: Re: Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/18/06 03:13:47 PM |
Age 42, MN |
Its fine to be Torah observant, and is something I personally am working on. Yet, very few people are at that stage in their walk, and thats ok. To some it may appear legalistic, yet the reason I try to be Torah observant is not because someone said do this, or do that, but because of my love for Christ.
I think churches get a little too wound up telling people what to do, instead of focusing on the love of Jesus, and letting that love for Him change behavior as the Holy Spirit leads.
These youngsters will grow in their walk with Christ over time. In the mean time, let them express themselves and their love for Him, and let the Holy Spirit convict them one way or another as he leads them. Tearing another brother or sister in Christ down does little for building up the church.
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/18/06 01:05:22 PM |
Age 52, TX |
It's about time the Cornerstone people came out of the Pagan closet. I couldn't be more thrilled. Keep it up, Gretchen, Jon, and crew - you couldn't hide your true nature forever.
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/17/06 03:15:19 PM |
Age 23, WI |
I feel that your article is very judgmental towards a lot of people. I've always been taught that the two greatest commandments were to Love God and Love people - it says so in the scriptures. But, many of the things you speak of in your article go against this very nature. I was at cornerstone festival 2006 on work related business and I agree there were quite a mix of people there. This, however, does not change the fact that they are also God's children. The fact that someone has a tattoo does not change their love for God. We are called to love all people, not cast a negative image towards them. The very fact that you referred to those at cornerstone with tattoos as "Christians" is judgmental in and of its self and it is not our right to do so. You may be like me and disagree with some of the things that took place at cornerstone, but that does not change the fact that a vast majority of people there Love God and Love people. If only your article demonstrated that same love.
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/16/06 07:52:20 PM |
Age 34, IL |
So what's wrong with Thomas Merton? I've read some of his material and enjoyed the challenge and joy of going deeper with Christ in my thinking and life. I was confused to read in the article and in one feedback comment that it seemed bad to have his material around.
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/15/06 11:42:31 AM |
Age 45, SD |
What were Wycliffe and Youth for Christ doing at this event?
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/14/06 05:34:00 PM |
Age 57, TN |
Leonard Ravenhill says it well:
"We live in a generation that has never known revival God's way. True revival changes the moral climate of an area or a nation. Without exception, all true revivals of the past began after years of agonizing, hell-robbing, earth-shaking, heaven-sent intercession. The secret to true revival in our own day is still the same. But where, oh, where, are the intercessors?"
"The true man of God is heartsick, grieved at the worldliness of the Church...grieved at the toleration of sin in the Church, grieved at the prayerlessness in the Church. He is disturbed that the corporate prayer of the Church no longer pulls down the strongholds of the devil."
I would challenge you to listen to what missionary and evangelist Paul Washer would say to those young people. Listen at
http://tinyurl.com/kg8dw
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/14/06 11:33:41 AM |
Age 42, MN |
THANK YOU for informing us so our teens don't accidentally attend this camp! Levitation, speaking to the dead, skeleton/casket,glowing dead shrine,horror films lauded, labyrinth contemplative prayer, and reading from teachers like Thomas Merton - this is heartbreaking. I doubt the youth in line for the tatooing and gauging were told that gauging is a practice of voodoo worship and that Anam Cara means spirit frind! These children are being deceived in the name of Christ. Thank you for the Bible truths on your fact sheet so we can share it with others who are mislead. Since they are calling themselves brothers and sisters in Christ, you are right to expose what they are teaching our youth. But why are there booths there from Wycliff and Youth for Christ?? and a Moody professor?
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Re: Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/14/06 08:14:05 AM |
Age 54, OH |
The link to the fact sheet is directly below the article. When the Light the Way page opens, click on "Enter." Then click on "Latest updates." Scroll down until you see the "CBE Fact Sheet at Cornerstone" option in the right column.
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Re: Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/14/06 07:04:32 AM |
Age 53, NY |
Dear Lady, I am not going to begin to judge your 27 year old son but do you not know that tattoos are in disobedience to God? If I may remind you Jesus said in Matt 5:17, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. And in the Law which Jesus said He did not come to destroy in Leviticus 19:28 it is written, Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks (tattoos) upon you: I am the LORD. So just what is your son witnessing? That we can do what we want and live disobedient to Christ? And if as you claim he is leading hundreds of people to the Lord will they somehow become holy and obedient to Christ when his example is not?
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Re: Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/13/06 04:58:03 PM |
Age 45, GA |
I did a little digging on this festival. It's evident that the feminist agenda is hard at work to mislead young minds. It's also a subtle, (and at times overt), promotion of man-made paths to God, (higher quality meditation, rituals, etc.), rather than the only true path - repentance from sin and faith in Jesus Christ as savior and mediator.
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Re: Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/13/06 04:14:27 PM |
Age 45, GA |
Could you please define what you mean by revival breaking out?
Please also tell us how the activities you describe here have contributed to accomplishing the mission of Jesus Christ.
Personally, I'm trying to make the connection between the actions you describe and saving people from hell...and I've not been able to make them reconcile.
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Re: Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/13/06 04:08:25 PM |
Age 45, GA |
You are correct - we must not judge people by the exterior but by the fruit they produce.
Pharisees looked great on the outside, by their current social/religious/political standards - but they were rotted and foul on the inside. "Whited sepulchres".
It's getting tougher to really know who is part of the body of Christ today and who is still mired in their unregenrate sinful state.
Sometimes those folks with tattoos really are into the occultic lifestyles, sometimes they're more productive for the Lord than a church full of what passes for "saints" today.
There's a great way for anyone to be sure of their eternal destiny...
go to http://www.livingwaters.com/good/
and take the test.
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Re: Re: Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/13/06 03:55:58 PM |
Age 40, AR |
Ah, but this group is calling themselves Christian brothers and sisters in Christ. What they are doing is wrong and according to 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 we can "judge/discipline" them.
We are not to "judge" those who do NOT call themselves brothers (and sisters) in Christ b/c God will do that (vs. 13).
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Re: Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/13/06 02:03:15 PM |
Age 33, IL |
Whoa. Be *very* careful how you judge others' hearts, for in the same way, God will judge you.
There are *many* godly, Bible-believing Christians who attend Cornerstone. If this article is accurate, it seems there is some heresy entering the ranks, which needs to be confronted and corrected. That is our God-given role.
But it is *not* yours to judge the hearts of others. God has made himself exceptionally clear on that point.
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Re: Breaking News: Churches, Colleges, Youth Ministries and Mission Groups Embrace The Occult?
| Posted On: 07/13/06 12:50:21 PM |
Age 52, KS |
Please don't judge young people by whether or not they have tattoos. My son, who is 27, has tattoos of Christian symbols - Yeshua, the Hebrew letter "shin", and the Jewish star. You wouldn't believe the people he has been able to witness to through his tattoos. He is also in a Christian rock band and has led hundreds to the Lord. He is a very strong mature Christian (since the age of 7) and truly walks in the fruit of the Spirit, not just the gifts of the Spirit. There is a Scripture that says that man looks on the outside, but God judges the heart.
Try to do more of that, OK? It hurts to hear Christians judging other Christians by external criteria only.
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