I emailed Warren
| Posted On: 02/25/09 10:56:26 PM |
Age 49, CANADA |
I emailed Rick Warren to question him on using the name ISA and he never replied to me - wonder why?
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Isa is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible
| Posted On: 02/25/09 10:50:13 PM |
Age 49, CANADA |
Isa is not just the name of the Muslim Jesus.
Isa of the Koran is not the Jesus of the Bible.
Isa of the Koran is not God in the flesh, Isa of the Koran did not die on the cross, Isa of the Koran did not rise again,
Jesus said
John 8:24 says I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
If the Jesus Christ of the Bible is God in the flesh, did die on the cross and rose again then he is not the same Jesus of the Koran.
You cannot have a true Jesus and a false Jesus that are both the same. Either one is false or one is true, but you cannot have both.
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Don't Let the Facts Get In the Way
| Posted On: 01/30/09 07:30:56 PM |
Age 41, NH |
Don't let the fact that Isa is the name for Jesus get in the way of Warren bashing...
Grace and Peace,
Jim
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Hi John
| Posted On: 01/29/09 07:41:23 PM |
Age 41, NH |
john,
Christ means "anointed one" just like the Hebrew word "messiah." Unfortunately, calling Jesus by Christ in this day and age is like using Jesus' last name (His name isn't Jesus Christ" it is "Jesus." Praying in Jesus name is just that, praying in His name. Paul used Christ because it was the title the Greeks would understand, not because it is Jesus' last name.
Discernment is knowing right from wrong and your lack of discernment and attempt to say IA 45 lacks it is simply wrong.
Grace and Peace,
jim
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Sources and History
| Posted On: 01/28/09 03:00:15 PM |
Age 41, PA |
Regardless of whether you agree or not, the truth is still that Warren promotes bringing Muslim and Christian together. So this fits with his agenda. Just because he has a large congregation does not make him a preacher of the gospel. Jim Jones had a huge crowd too. Spend more time seeking to live a life pleasing to God than trying to tear down true preachers and you may be able to discern better.
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Isa-1 Christ-0
| Posted On: 01/27/09 09:26:12 AM |
Age 52, LA |
I, too, immediately went "on point" when I heard the Isalmic "Isa" mentioned and was saddened, but not surprised, when "Christ" was not mentioned. As a "former" Roman Catholic, I am very sensitive (far from perfect) to "deception" as most former Catholics are. The last 15 to 20 years of study and research, has by God's grace been in preparation for this time in history. Rick Warren's deceptive infiltration of the evangelical church with "New Age Schullerisms" is so subtle that most Christians have no clue when they come face to face with "doctrines of demons." Keep pressing on!!!!!
Because of Christ,
Addie K. Miller
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The Prayer
| Posted On: 01/26/09 07:27:28 PM |
Age 58, AR |
I would bet that he was told he couldn't mention Jesus, so he, instead chose to say the Lord's prayer. We don't normally use that prayer because it's a form Jesus used to teach the apostles what the content of a prayer ought to be, but I think he may have said it because it was at least "God's word", and they were not the wiser. He got the word in and it will not return void. Remember he said "the one who changed my life". If he would've said what he really wanted to say, and told them as much, they wouldn't have let him pray. They might not have even chosen an evangelical to pray at all. Back in the day, other religions would have not been allowed to pray, now the tables are turned, we have to be careful how we pray. Calling good evil, and evil good. Whoever would've thought?
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Please check your sources before preaching this falsehood
| Posted On: 01/26/09 12:57:27 PM |
Age 47, PA |
As many have stated previously, Isa is simply the Arabic translation of the name Jesus, just like the English translation of Joshua. For those that don't believe it, I'm pasting it at the end of my response.
There are WAY too many preachers who take anything they read from a so-called Christian internet site like this one and preach it as gospel from the pulpits. (Mine did it this week!) The Bible warns about those who preach a false gospel. Rick Warren was praying to the one who changed his life and taught us to pray "Our father, who art in heaven......" Why would he reference three (3) other names which all mean Jesus and then talk about someone else in the fourth example. Same on you Eric!
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From several well-known and respected sources:
Isa is the Arabic equivalent of Yeshua, and of the English male names Joshua and Jesus, all three coming form the same name originally. It is a common given name for Arab men. Arabic can mean: From or related to Arabia From or related to the Arabs The Arabic language; see also Arabic grammar The Arabic alphabet, used for expressing the languages of Arabic, Persian, Malay ( Jawi), Kurdish, Panjabi, Pashto, Sindhi and Urdu, among others. ... Yeshua is believed by many to be the Hebrew or Aramaic name for Jesus. ... Joshua or YehoshĂşa is a Biblical character, much of whose life is described in the Book of Joshua. ... Jesus (8-2 BC/BCE â€" 29-36 AD/CE),[1] also known as Jesus of Nazareth, is the central figure of Christianity. .
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I have to disagree...
| Posted On: 01/24/09 06:57:55 PM |
Age 23, MO |
unfortunately i have to disagree. I was in Morocco for 5 months, and we learned many many Biblical terms and ways of presenting the gospel in Arabic. 'Allah' is their term for God, which we would still use. It just means they have a warped view of who God is. Same with Jesus, or in arabic 'Isa'. The reading was correct, they think Jesus was a wise man, but we still must use the name 'Isa' in Arabic because that's who they know. It is our job to teach that 'Isa' is the Son of God, that 'Isa' was not just a wise man, and that 'Isa' is the way to salvation. In no way was Rick Warren promoting any Islamic teaching, he was simply mentioning the name of 'Isa' (Jesus) in his prayer, which no Islamic person would ever do. I am not a huge Rick Warren fan at all, but I think in this particular instance he was justified in the way he prayed.
Just my opinion!
In the name of Jesus Christ my Savior
Kyle
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Very Troubling but not Unexpected
| Posted On: 01/24/09 10:12:01 AM |
Age 55, IA |
Are we truly surprized at Rick Warren's prayer? Discerning bond-servants are not! There are many false prophets and false teachers who drag the name of Christ through the mud, they "profess to know God, but their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient, and worthless for any good deed" (Titus 1:16). You can add to your list Piper, Swindoll, Jeremiah, who now embrace the Emergent Church Movement with their support of Mark Driscoll, Richard Foster, Dallas Willard and many others who are now mixing truth with falsehood and error. Did not Paul warn the Galatian Church about this? He called it perverting the Gospel. These people, along with others (such Leith Anderson, Bill Hybels, John Hagee and the list goes on), seem to be bent on "striving to please me). There is only one Truth and we are called not to mix it with any other doctrine, change it to make it palatable for those who want their "ears tickled" or hide it.
"They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us." (I John 2:19). We are living in very dangerous times and with the perversion of the Gospel being
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RE: Blithely and totally ignorant
| Posted On: 01/24/09 08:34:21 AM |
Age 20, CA |
Have you read the feedback on this page? Many people, even among those who agree with Eric, did not know what "Isa" meant. Are they also "blithely and totally ignorant?" Or maybe they are in "collusion with dark forces."---These petty divisions in the Body are what have caused us to be so ineffective for the last century. If you have a serious problem with what Warren said, talk to him directly to figure out what he meant, THEN write an article on it. You don't assume the worst about what someone said, write a piece on it, and call that good journalism. After we start practicing good journalism, then we can call our leaders to account for what they say and mean, but with the information we have currently about the inaugural prayer, we can say nothing certain about Warren's intentions or knowledge concerning his use of "Isa."
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From Eric Barger
| Posted On: 01/23/09 10:24:00 PM |
Age 57, TX |
This is no small thing.
You need to see what I wrote the day after this column appeared.
See: http://www.ericbarger.com/emailers/2009/update1-22-2009.htm
Eric Barger
Take A Stand! Ministries
Rowlett, TX
www.ericbarger.com
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Warren also Quoted the Qur'an from ERIC BARGER
| Posted On: 01/23/09 10:17:00 PM |
Age 57, TX |
Please read my comments which both clarify and expand the info found in this column. Read at:
http://www.ericbarger.com/emailers/2009/update1-22-2009.htm
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Another trash article masquerading as intelligent commentary
| Posted On: 01/23/09 06:18:00 PM |
Age 41, NH |
Sir, you are either truly uninformed or just looking to make yourself important or maybe just wishing to knock down Warren somehow. The name Isa is a direct and literal translation of the name Yeshua. In some of the Old Orthodox churches, Isa is used and has been used since the churches were planted in Jordan and Egypt.
This opinion piece is full of ignorance and/or malice. Warren has many flaws but this is just uninformed tripe.
Grace and Peace,
Jim
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Mormon "Jesus" vs Christian "Jesus"
| Posted On: 01/23/09 06:11:59 PM |
Age 51, MN |
It's not different than saying "Jesus" and then having someone claim I'm invoking a false "Jesus" because it's the way Mormons say the word. It's only a translation - if Muslims want to use it incorrectly unfortunately they have the right to do it - just as unfortunately Mormons do with "Jesus" - but to make it out that Warren is doing something heretical here in relationship to the muslim faith is really being quite dishonest.
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The word isn't the problem
| Posted On: 01/23/09 03:07:54 PM |
Age 57, FL |
Those quibbling about the use of “Isa” perhaps don’t know certain points of history and the practice of some Christians in the non-western world. “Isa” has been (for centuries) and still is a term Arabic-speaking Christians use for “Jesus.” “Isa” is similar to “Iesu” used in Jerome’s Latin Vulgate Bible (405 A.D.)—which may explain why some Arabic-speaking Christians were using “Isa” before Islam came on the scene. True, Islam’s representations of "Isa" do not square with the Bible in critical ways. But the problem isn’t the word “Isa” but, rather, what attributes do unbelievers assign to that name—i.e., who IS Jesus? Complainers about using “Isa” show a double standard in that these same people do not stop using other words that follow this principle. For example, they don’t stop using the word “God” just because many Jews use the word “God” without believing He is Triune. The need isn’t to stop using a word just because certain people use it inappropriately. Rather, the need is to teach biblical truth about the real nature of God (and Jesus), in His fullness. Better to take the word a particular people group is familiar with and patiently erode the misrepresentations by teaching the Truth about who the Person represented by that name really IS.
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Huh?
| Posted On: 01/23/09 01:34:21 PM |
Age 48, MO |
Nit picking? A lot of people post here that are not Christian, I hope you are one of those because it seems your discernment is quite clouded. Only Christ can open your eyes. John
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heard that
| Posted On: 01/23/09 11:39:49 AM |
Age 49, MO |
We were told of this Wednesday night at church by our pastor. I hadn't watched the inauguration, and so didn't hear it myself.
It is interesting and troubling that Warren chose to use the term Isa, rather than the word used by Arabic speaking Christians when referring to Christ, Yasu.
On the one hand, it could mean the man is blithely and totally ignorant.
On the other, it could mean he is in collusion with dark forces.
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Isa?
| Posted On: 01/23/09 11:29:07 AM |
Age 37, LA |
Thanks for the information on "Isa"
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Warren's prayer
| Posted On: 01/23/09 10:56:27 AM |
Age 58, AR |
When Rick Warren was naming all those names for Jesus, could it have been that he was telling those people in those religions who trust in false god's, that Jesus was the one and only true God?
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