As kids are more rebellious then ever...
| Posted On: 04/03/08 09:24:35 AM |
Age 48, CA |
As they use more drugs, have more sex, are more defiant of parents than any time in our history, as they join gangs and shoot up our schools, I doubt that the one probelem we need to work on the most is a aparent who gices his or her child an occasional swat on the rear.
Those who claim they have a better way actually have the mosr violent disrespecful kids I have ever seen and worse, they then claim it is the worlds fault that thier kids are this way for not loving them enough.
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You obviously have never worked with animals
| Posted On: 04/03/08 09:20:14 AM |
Age 48, CA |
The shepherds rod is a multi purpose tool. It has a hook with which to grap the animal and is also used to prod the animal in the direction one wishes it to go. While no Shepheard viciously beats his animals, the prodding they do would be condemmed as beating if you ever watched it being done.
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Discipline is discipline
| Posted On: 04/03/08 09:17:19 AM |
Age 48, CA |
I don't know what you do instead of a smak to the rear but I will bet that CPS would consider it just as abusive. According to cps: Depriving your child of a sex life, no allowing them to use drugs in your house, or anything that upsets them is considered abuse. When my former stepdaughter threatened to kille me, CPU araned me that if she ever suceeeded, they would defend it as a justifiable killing. I think it is ironic that your type, in the name of non violence, wants to send SWAT teams to machine gun parents who give their kids an occasional slap on the rear.
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A shepherd who hit his sheep would soon find himself out of a job....
| Posted On: 04/02/08 06:13:34 PM |
Age 25, GA |
"But when sheep rebel, He loves them enough − and the Bride that they will become − to break out the rod.
And so should we."
Anyone who deals with animals knows that you cannot hit them and expect true obedience--only compliance at best. Therefore, why assume that a shepherd using a rod with his sheep would be using it to hit them?
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huh?
| Posted On: 04/02/08 06:08:57 PM |
Age 25, GA |
Um, and what exactly would Jesus--who never sinned--have done to merit this "swat" from his mother?
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Great reply
| Posted On: 04/02/08 03:22:27 PM |
Age 39, VA |
I so agree with what this this poster said (NY 45).
I strongly believe discipline can be effective and God-honoring without involving spanking.
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Email response from NoSpank
| Posted On: 04/02/08 03:05:39 PM |
Age 38, IRELAND |
I emailed NoSpank today and got this illuminating response...
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:47:15 +0100, Jordan Riak wrote:
Sadism disguised as parenting, March 29, 2008
By Jordan Riak (Alamo, CA) - See all my reviews
Religion and sadism have enjoyed a cozy relationship since the beginning of recorded history. Little seems to have changed. During the Inquisition, robed priests, clutching their gilt-edged bibles, sent heretics to a slow death on the rack to teach them respect for authority.
And today, authors of so-called Christian parenting books instruct parents how to whip children into repentance and obedience.
The first group never saw a heretic they didn't want to torture, and the second group never saw a child they didn't want to smack. Informed parents don't hit their children. They know the difference between love and cruelty. They are not lured by any amount of pious claptrap into purchasing books that have more to do with porn than parenting.
Jordan Riak
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Hitting isn't the only discipine tool out there...
| Posted On: 04/02/08 03:02:04 PM |
Age 30, TX |
"I had a spepdaughter who was never disciplined. "
The person was not advocating not disciplining. Of course a child parented with no boundaries whatsoever will become angry. Children need to feel secure. Since when is smacking a child the only way to discipline? I don't need to hit my child to enforce boundaries.
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jesus Would Not Spank - Really??????
| Posted On: 04/02/08 01:07:19 PM |
Age 57, CANADA |
John 2:15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
Maybe he just held the scourge and waved it around,
BUT not likely!!
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Here's the deal
| Posted On: 04/02/08 12:49:37 PM |
Age 47, MO |
The problem with some of these responses is that people are advocating to do What Jesus would do (WWJD?). However, we are not called to do what Jesus would do, nor is it possible to do what Jesus would do. We are not God. We cannot perfectly discern situations or perfectly respond. Only Jesus knew what people were really thinking and responded with the sword of the truth that cut to the heart of the matter. We Christians are called to do what the HS would tell us to do. As Christians, this is to train up the child, to disipline, to nurture, and to teach them the real world so they can exist as adults. However, most parents are guilty for their immaturity, their divorce, their lack of involvement, their ???, and misunderstand love as being tolerant and emotional. Thus they think kids will grow up and be stable just because they are aging. Next thing we know we have young adults still living at home, engrosed in video games, and only work when they need money for entertainment. John
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You misunderstood
| Posted On: 04/02/08 09:18:53 AM |
Age 47, MO |
You may have misunderstood my short response. I advocate spanking BECAUSE we are not Gods. We can never know what goes on in their little heads or know the best response as parents. Jesus didn't have to spank because HE is God. So I advocate spanking as an attention getter but not as THE SOLE response to error. The problem with our society is parents haven't been parenting. So we have kids doing adult things, undisiplined, without control or authority, heading toward self destruction. Thanks for keeping me straight. John
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A good spanking
| Posted On: 04/02/08 09:06:23 AM |
Age 61, KS |
Most mammals use some type of corporal
punishment to keep their "pups" in line.
While we humans are so much more advanced
in our thinking and actions (tongue firmly planted in cheek), we're really no different and occasionally need to do the same.
I was "switched" as a child and somehow survived the ordeal. My Mom even hit me with a closed fist when I was a teenager.
I certainly never committed that infraction again. I remember swatting one of my children on one occasion but I normally used a firm voice. They knew I meant business.
I worry about states making too many laws governing how we raise our children. I also know that parents can go overboard with corporal punishment so there is a balance that needs to be decided. The balance of personal freedom and government intervention.
The balance of love and occasional tough love.
Today, my mother could have been jailed for the way she punished me but it would have been wrong to do so. I knew then and know now how much she cared about me. The love she gave her children far outweighed the rare but firm punishments.
I don't think things were much different in Jesus time and I wouldn't be surprised if His Mom gave Him a swat or two during His youth. Wow! Spanking God! What a concept!
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Not God but a father of three
| Posted On: 04/01/08 11:46:23 PM |
Age 48, CA |
And I am accountable to the Lord to, among other things, discipline them. If my kids have a tantrum because we don't buy them what they want, when they want it, I will not do things your way and beg them to stop having thier tantrum. They will be disciplined. Once they learned the rules, they no longer require such extreme measures. Every case where parents use this "New way" The kids are not only violent and disrespectful, but the parents excuse it blaming others for not being "Loving enough".
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Research?????
| Posted On: 04/01/08 11:40:06 PM |
Age 48, CA |
Whos research? As our kids are getting pregnant, using drugs, joining gangs, shooting up our schools, and killing thier parents when they refuse to cater to their wants more than ever before in our history I can assure you, it is not because kids are being overly disciplined.
Quite to the contrary, in my forst marriage, I had a spepdaughter who was never disciplined. She turned out to be one of the most bitter and angry kids I have ever known. She threatened to kill me for going through her room and tossing our her dope, not allowing her to sleep with her boyfriends, and trying to get her to go back to school. Counselors such as you pretty much believed that it was all my fault and her violence was not the problem, my failure to please her was. I was even warned that if she ever did kill me they would defend it as a justifiable killing.
All too often, I see kids getting very violent and their parents applying the modern methods of begging them to stop hitting them and having a tantrum. Usually, the parent relents and buys them what they were havning a tantrum over.
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Spock -- Brats!
| Posted On: 04/01/08 09:50:18 PM |
Age 44, TX |
Dr. Spock very successfully convinced America, and many Christians, to not spank their children. But the Word of God says in Prov.13:24 'He who spares the rod hates his son, but he that loves him chastens him quickly.' God disciplines those He loves. So to discipline is to love your children. To not discipline, in God's eyes, is to hate your children. What was the fruit of Dr.Spocks' advice? Let's hear from his own words Dr. Spock is reported as saying near the end of his life, 'We've raised a bunch of brats!' Let God be true and every man a liar.
~We must rightly divide and obey God's Word! Lynn
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wrong wrong wrong is wrong wrong wrong
| Posted On: 04/01/08 06:38:46 PM |
Age 45, IL |
My gosh, I do not know how people take others out of context.
Eric was simply saying that God judged Israel by other Pagan nations when those nations rose up against Israel.
God is all about correcting and chastising those He loves, expect it. I am glad that He does chastise me, therefore I know He loves me.
Do your homework next time Wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!
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Previously Spanked
| Posted On: 04/01/08 06:19:34 PM |
Age 35, FL |
When one touches a hot stove after they are told not to touch the stove because it is hot, they get burned...and it hurts. When I was a child, I was spanked several times. I was told not to do something and when I did, I was spanked. It hurt. I didn't enjoy it. Afterwards, my parents would explain to me that it also hurt them emotionally but, I broke the rules and had to suffer the consequences. Being spanked as a child was a result of me doing wrong and to this day, I think about my consequeces before making a decision. If spanked in the correct setting, children will learn from their mistakes. A child does not understand the logic of a conversation as much as a spank on the tush when they are in the middle of irrational behavior.
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Your Word is Spreading!
| Posted On: 04/01/08 06:16:50 PM |
Age 35, WA |
I read about your good works on another site. Keep it up!!!
... it was an article explaining how Jesus would go about “disciplining” a child ...
[Jesus would discipline the child with a] flexible switch made from an olive branch, across the fleshy part of the buttocks or upper thigh.
<a href="http://dickard.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/todays-top-ten-links/">The Teachings of Our Lord</a>
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my experience
| Posted On: 04/01/08 04:44:25 PM |
Age 19, WA |
I'm just a college student, so i'm not the most muchur person in the world, but i do know my personal experience. I completely disagree with this author. I think that to many times we take selected verses and take them out of historical and cultural context. In the old testament (under the old covenant) hitting a child was condoned, because the culture at the time was unaware of new advances in child psychology and more effective ways of raising children. you'll notice that in the new covenant (in the new testament) mercy and understanding is focused on more than lwigalistic and harsh forms of correction. Certainly we need to discipline and correct, but in an understanding, loving, and Godly way. I remember as a child my dad hit me 2 times. Out of anger. I did not become humble, submissive, or obedient or whatever people like to say. I became worse. I became angry, and agressive. To this day the anger the yelling, the fear, the harshness, still plaques my thoughts and my heart many years later. Fortunately God is healing me, and reasuuring me that I do not need to fear coming to Him. Sure in some instances hitting is the only option, but if it's not the only option, than why don't we share God's love with children, instead of teaching them how not to deal with problems. (in an agressive and angry way).
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wrong wrong wrong
| Posted On: 04/01/08 03:50:06 PM |
Age 36, CA |
Because God sent pagan armies to punish the Jews has nothing to do with spanking a child. "Vengeance is mine" I believe is the relevant quote; we don't get to start wars just because God did; what a silly argument to make.
You want to abide by the Old Testament? So you advocate stoning adulterers to death, and forcing virgins who are raped to marry the rapist?
Nonsense. Jesus told us this: The highest commandment is love. If you spank out of love, then I suppose it's acceptable. But ALL the research on this matter shows that corporal punishment is not necessary, and that it is often destructive to a loving relationship between parent and child. Certainly, when done out of anger, as is often the case, it is unChristian.
Bottom line: Your logic, theology, and knowledge are sorely lacking.
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