Are you the she?
| Posted On: 03/01/08 12:54:59 PM |
Age 47, MO |
If you are the "SHE" as Jim said when he stated "I checked with her and confirmed that she...", then please accept my appologies for jumping the pooch. If you are not a she, as I suspect from your writing style, then I wonder how I can believe your explaination. Regardless, I still am sorry that my accusation did not honor God in the way I presented it. As I stated previously, we Christians seem to need a new hobby because we spend way too much time correcting each other instead of being salt and light to a dying world. John
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For further questions. . .
| Posted On: 02/29/08 02:39:17 PM |
Age 48, MO |
From the author of this article to John:
It has occurred to us that though we can’t contact you personally, you can contact us through our website at ccwonline.org . We would like to talk to you personally about any further questions you might have about sources for this article.
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P.S.
| Posted On: 02/27/08 08:36:50 AM |
Age 48, MO |
After I hit send, I realized that I might not have been clear about footnoting. If one uses a treasury of quotes as a source, I do agree it should be footnoted. The point was that I shouldn't have to check every treasury before I quote from an original document.
Finally, John, I urge you to retrace my steps through the original sources. I'm sure you'll find that by gleaning quotes about God from the inauguration speeches, you'll duplicate my results.
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Verifying the URL
| Posted On: 02/27/08 07:46:02 AM |
Age 48, MO |
John - I'm the author of the article. The correct URL for the Avalon project at Yale is www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/inaug/inaug.htm
(There was an extra "l" at the end of the address in Jim's post). As to the similarity between our article and the book, again, I was not aware of the book when I wrote the article. I read through all the inaugral speeches in chronological order looking for mentions of God. I found it interesting to note that they were usually isolated in the speech--near the end or the beginning, and usually a single paragraph or phrase. I cut and pasted them, attributed them to the correct president and created the article. You'll note that I did leave out some mentions and edited others with (...) That the the book author and I chose the same ones perhaps tends more to reflect that the presidents didn't say much about God - there was usually only one phrase or paragraph to choose from in each speech.
It's a little like saying that because Bartlett made a book of quotations, everyone who quotes something included in his book has to footnote Bartlett. The original text in the article was my own, everything else was credited to the correct president and I did my own research. I hope this answers any questions you had about the authorship.
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Second thought
| Posted On: 02/26/08 03:05:12 AM |
Age 47, MO |
I was thinking that I should have contacted you directly for an explanation, and perhaps that is true. But, then I was reminded how other authors on CWN accuse other Christians in public based upon their public words, and I wonder if this is any different? Just recently an author accused Chuck Colson of not knowing Scripture and I have to ask myself, is my accusation any worse? What I'm saying is that the info I had to make the accusation is circumstantial but very solid, non-the-less not absolute. Is it any different than the accusation against Chuck Colson just for attending the re-think conference? Let's face it- Christians need a new hobby, it is past time we stop sparing with one another and engage the enemy. Jim, for this I am sorry. Like many theological debates Christians engage, it was a moot point that wasn't worth the dissention and not honoring God. John
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My response
| Posted On: 02/26/08 02:17:51 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Indeed, it is a serious accusation which is why I am fascinated that the quotes are verbatim exactly as in the promo for the book on wnd.com. Perhaps you should check it out. Not to mention, out of all the quotes each president would have attributed to his name, what are the odds that your assistant would pull the same ones, exactly as in the book? Jim, I am not trying to smear anyone's character the stain is not from me. However, it is a fact that my accusation is true, whatever the simularities or explanation. John
PS. www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/inaug/inaug.html is not a valid address.
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You are Mistaken
| Posted On: 02/25/08 09:23:26 AM |
Age 59, MO |
John,
Thanks for pointing out the similarity -- the article was actually written by my assistant, though I realize that it's mistakenly attributed to me on the CWN site. I checked with her and confirmed that she was not aware of Federer's book when we wrote this article. Frankly, it would have saved her a lot of time! All the quotes were taken from the actual inaugural addresses and were found here: www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/inaug/inaug.html . As it isn't a scholarly article (in other words, it was intended as devotional rather than historical) she didn't feel the need to footnote. She assures me she read each speech in preparing the article. I am sorry that perhaps hundreds of readers think that we have plaguarized who will not see this explanation. We consider that a serious accusation. Jim Elliff
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Please explain
| Posted On: 02/22/08 10:16:36 AM |
Age 47, MO |
I am curious as to why you plagerized this book without giving credit to it author for the research. "TREASURY OF PRESIDENTIAL QUOTATIONS" - An inspiring 500 page collection of quotations from every U.S. President from George Washington to George Bush. Written by: William J. Federer, available on WND.com John
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true
| Posted On: 02/21/08 09:54:54 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Nice article, thanks. John
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Too True...
| Posted On: 02/20/08 07:58:06 PM |
Age 20, NC |
I would probably go so far as to say any President quoted here who served after about 1920 should have their comments taken with varying degrees of salt. Some would need just the proverbial grain. Others (for example, former President Clinton) probably would require an entire case.
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Evoking the name of God
| Posted On: 02/19/08 11:11:48 AM |
Age 61, MO |
I would like to believe otherwise, but I'm afraid that evoking the name of God is just so much shallow rhetoric for most of these presidents. Not all, but most. I have studied the history surrounding most of these presidents, and can only conclude from their actions that this is true. George Cancilla
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