For the GOP?
| Posted On: 02/09/08 05:16:06 PM |
Age 58, MA |
Find better Republicans.
I'm for that, because that makes for better Democrats.
Right now, and for decades, the national GOP
leadership has gone towards a united Party at the cost of a divided nation.
And the national Democratic leadership has tried to follow them right down that same tube, by trying to mimic the GOP's positions.
None of that has been at all to any benefit for the average American.
The center got shifted, and it got shifted, eventually, drastically, even if it was also done gradually, by and for those at the very top, but it hasn't done the rest of us any good.
Edwards had a good point, in that the division isn't as much on the horizontal, on the left/right, as it is on the vertical, the top/bottom.
That's been the result, and the result has been in no way accidental, but the wedges that were used to accomplish that were driven into the horizontal, and they were deliberately done so by the modern national GOP leadership, with the modern national Democratic leadership scrambling to accomodate.
Yup, better Republicans, with better reasons to be Republicans.
Of course it'd work the other way too, better Democrats, with better reasons to be Democrats, would help foster better Republicans.
I'm working on that too.
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What genuine conservative Christian voters should do...
| Posted On: 02/09/08 01:29:37 PM |
Age 64, OR |
Over the past 20+ years authentic conservative Christians have been deceived and duped by those protituting themselves just to get our vote. So, isn't the time RIGHT for authentic Christians band together with spiritual solidarity and not compromise our beliefs and values? Consider this...all authentic Christians create a bona fide third party political front to force the Democrats and Republicans to be more honest, patriotic, and spiritual by returning to the values of our nation's founding fathers. As long as real conservitives and Christians continue supporting left-of-center Republicans and Democrates you are compromising your personal beliefs and values...that's a fact@
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Not really...
| Posted On: 02/09/08 11:02:45 AM |
Age 20, MN |
You asked the question to someone else, not me (unless I misunderstood that it was a general question), hence why I did not answer. Anyway, you still did not answer my question.
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How reasonable is reason?
| Posted On: 02/09/08 11:02:23 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Your response is interesting. Donald Rumsfeld brilliantly said: There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns." How true. Yet, because we know something we know, or know what is not known, or don't even know what is unknown, doesn't distract from the truth that they exist. What I'm saying is the fact that unknowns exist is proof that they are. Agreed? There are many things we know we don't know or don't even know we don't know yet we rely on our faith to coexist daily. Take for instance gravity, the sun rising, morality, decision making, fresh air. You said the dawn is from the east, really? Is our planet situated N,S,E,W in our universe or is this a man made idea to try to explain the unknown? Many of these things you accept as truth are barely understood or not at all, yet we rely on them and our interaction with them constantly. You think reason is enough to coexist in our world? That's unreasonable because your known knowns are miniscule compared with your faith in what is not known. Consider your faith in the material world (we're not even talking about the Spiritual yet) and get back with me about how reasonable it is that you even exist at all. John
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Posting difficulties
| Posted On: 02/09/08 06:44:57 AM |
Age 58, MA |
I tried to tack responses onto individual posts, but, somehow, no go.
So we'll try things this way.
To Age 20, in MN, who wanted to know what I was hinting at:
You tried to change the topic.
I asked three questions.
How long has the GOP been abusing American Christians?
What was the pivotal beginning event in that
abuse?
Who should be on the list of those who abused
American Christians to gain political power?
If you saw something in those questions that also began to give you glimmers of other ideas, so much the better, conversations can have that effect.
Now, to 59, in TX:
Two posts, with that.
I can't say for sure, but I'm going to treat things as though they're both from the same person.
No, I'm not a Christian.
I'm here because I was invited.
Is being a Christian a requirement for posting in a political thread?
For that matter, since I was invited here to
examine what was being talked about, and then invited to post, is it a requirement for posting here at all?
I haven't been at all disrespectful, not to anyone, not in any way.
That's one post.
As for the other: are we to take it that you
think that there have been no Christian Presidents in your lifetime, and no viable
Christian Presidential candidates in this election cycle either?
We're of the same age range, for both of us, the first Presidential election we could vote in was 1972.
That's nine completed Presidential elections
since the two of us became eligible to vote, and, seemingly, in your view, no Christian Presidents during that time.
Was it that you didn't vote in any of those elections, or was it that the candidates you voted for didn't win election, or was it that, in the cases where you voted, and the candidate you voted for won, that the candidate's lack of Christianity wasn't a significant factor in your decision?
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Out of curiousity...
| Posted On: 02/08/08 08:57:56 PM |
Age 20, MN |
what exactly are you trying to hint at? Yeah, the GOP has got problems? Exactly what are you suggesting should be done?
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Why are you here?
| Posted On: 02/08/08 07:30:41 PM |
Age 59, TX |
What are you doing on this board? You are clearly not a Christian, so why does this interest you?
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Who says either one?
| Posted On: 02/08/08 07:25:53 PM |
Age 59, TX |
Who says either category has an answer? I don't think anyone fufills these categories.
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It's good
| Posted On: 02/08/08 02:35:09 PM |
Age 58, MA |
It's good that you're someone who has come to see that the GOP has been using, abusing, and misusing you.
Do you have an estimate of how long that's been going on?
Do you have a pivotal moment when you think that began?
Do you have a list of names of those you think did that to you?
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Your alternatives?
| Posted On: 02/08/08 02:03:16 PM |
Age 58, MA |
For the two stated categories, your alternative suggestions would be...?
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Why put so much value in a psychologist anyway?
| Posted On: 02/08/08 01:12:51 PM |
Age 64, OR |
Since when is a psychologist validated by the Bible? It is NOT an acceptable science and has been debunked many times over as pseudo-science and treatment by psychologists have caused more harm than good in patients. Deception comes in many forms.
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The fact is ...
| Posted On: 02/08/08 01:10:04 PM |
Age 64, OR |
As a former member and conservative activist of the Republican Party, the GOP refuses to support a true Christian conservative for any political office. As a matter of fact one Republican leader was overheard saying, "I'll be glad when those Christian conservatives leave the GOP because we need more liberals involved."
That in itself tells you what has happened to the Republican Party. Mike Huckabee may be a professed Christian but saying it doesn't make him "authentic" Biblically based. There are many apostate Christians as Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush has proved by their actions and deeds.
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Belonging
| Posted On: 02/08/08 11:04:39 AM |
Age 58, MA |
That everything belongs to God is nothing close to a "known fact".
That it is, for some, a fiercely and deeply held personal belief, is a fact.
But the fact of the belief in no way makes the belief itself a fact.
That the most recent dawn was in the East is a fact.
That unsupported weight falls down is a fact.
Be happy in your personal belief, but do not claim that simply because it is your personal belief it also rises to anything of the status of fact.
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Agent X
| Posted On: 02/08/08 10:59:34 AM |
Age 54, VA |
Some of you have missed the point about the story of how Romney gave money to all kinds of conservaive Chritan groups. It's not that he gave this money -- we all expected that -- its that this money compromised these groups. Many of these very same groups released false info about Romney or at the very least went silent about his ultra liberal record.
Even when Romney told CNN he favors gay rights last week, not one major Christian leader said a word. This is not good for us as a movement as the grass roots relies on these groups for accurate information about the candidates. We should all be praising this website for having the guts to expose leaders who have hidden agendas. We need new leaders but first we need to expose corrupt existing leaders.
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Christian?
| Posted On: 02/08/08 07:53:27 AM |
Age 47, MN |
"The most Christian President in living memory? Jimmy Carter. The most Christian candidate still viable in the 2008 Presidential race? Barack Hussein Obama."
You obviously have an odd definition of Christian.
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Belonging to God
| Posted On: 02/07/08 05:26:11 PM |
Age 43, CHINA |
It is a known fact that everything belongs to God and in the Bible, there are records of how pagan's wealth was used for His glory. In fact, the Nehemiah got his support from a pagan King.
I believe it is ok to get donation from other people of other religious beliefs because the reason why they give is because they trusted in your work. However, guidelines must be set. For example, you will not promote their worldview or value.
Face the fact, too many churches have strayed from becoming a Light and Salt to the nations, they are only interested in building their church building and setup their own little kingdom they call church when in fact these are just membership clubs with membership facilities and benefits.
For me it is very simple....any church that is not involved in reaching the nations AND making disciples preaching UNITY and WORLD MISSION, they are not the church of Jesus Christ! Anyone can professed to be a believer or the church, but only those that does the Will of God is of God (Will of God - Disciple the Nations)
This makes Christian Faith much easier!
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Slight correction
| Posted On: 02/07/08 04:52:46 PM |
Age 45, GA |
As an editorial correction only: the city you refer to is Kirtland, OH with a "T". This is my hometown. It is outside Cleveland area. Your error is common.
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It comes to this
| Posted On: 02/07/08 03:52:46 PM |
Age 58, MA |
A day late, a buck short, and typical fundie extremism.
All those wedgies are coming back to rest within the shorts that spawned them.
Mitt's out, McCain's in, and no one needs Huckabee for anything any more, not to split primary votes and delegates, not as running mate, not as anything.
It's going to be fun to watch as each leg of the Reagan coalition chews the others off, and, simultaneously, tries to claim it's the
one true leg, then tries to rush back together, all worn down to toothpicks.
The next Republican debate should be interesting.
No more, "I'm on your side, against the guy in the middle.", now it's down to "You're the despicable monstrosity I need to completely eliminate.".
Here's a couple of ironies for you.
The most Christian President in living memory?
Jimmy Carter.
The most Christian candidate still viable in the 2008 Presidential race?
Barack Hussein Obama.
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I thought I was alone!!!
| Posted On: 02/07/08 02:48:04 PM |
Age 36, PA |
Some would say I'm wasting my vote because I don't go with the herd and I vote my conscience. That being said, I will continue to vote for Alan Keyes as long as he wants to run.
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Your so right
| Posted On: 02/07/08 02:27:26 PM |
Age 68, CO |
Your so right about Alan Keyes. Too bad he doesnt have more support.
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