1ST CONGRESS CALLED FOR CHRISTIAN CHURCH SERVICE
| Posted On: 02/14/08 12:30:52 AM |
Age 64, OH |
At the inauguration of Washington the congress had passed an act to have a Christian church service after the inauguration as an act of the government and almost all attended it. the service was an official service called by for the government of the US. Lou
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Miscommunique...
| Posted On: 02/13/08 10:11:23 AM |
Age 20, MN |
Sorry, I may have been not clear on not deciding to continue the conversation that may easily turn into a debate (since we would disagree on what a "good GOP" or a "good Dem" would be). The reason is because I really don't have the time, nor would I think it be really worth it. Anyway, you have a great day! :)
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Ah. :)
| Posted On: 02/13/08 09:11:01 AM |
Age 20, MN |
Then I forsee that you and I would probably disagree on this being a good thing (on the whole, not in parts necessarily). Thus, I think we can end discussion between us. Have a great day!
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John-Directionless
| Posted On: 02/12/08 04:55:14 PM |
Age 58, MA |
John,
It's going to be tough to converse if we can't agree on the nomenclature for the four cardinal points of the compass, isn't it?
Good of you to cite Rumsfeld, and the limits of his thought processes.
If we're going to indulge in completely unrestricted flights of fancy, that can be fun, but "What color is your unicorn?" doesn't get us much past a second grader's coloring book, does it?
Ever see the movie "Stand By Me", four twelve
year old boys, in the early 60s, taking a hike on the last weekend before they enter junior high?
Along the way, one of them asks the buddy he's walking next to, "Who do you think is stronger, Superman, or Mighty Mouse?".
His buddy's reply is that of course Superman is stronger, since Mighty Mouse is just a cartoon.
Gravity is a matter of faith?
The term may be our language's consensus, the phenomenom may be, technically, a theory, and, if we're going to quibble about the terms for directions, we'll be bumping into "up" and "down", but do you want to test things by placing yourself fifty or so feet beneath an suddenly unsupported Buick?
I think that either of us can make that decision, and that we can do so without invoking any divinites.
Air?
Cosby answered that.
There's air to blow up basketballs, and footballs, and volleyballs,...
Okay, a silliness, but the facts of the chemical makeup of this planet's atmosphere in no way necessitate human existence, or any other particular life form, ask your local brontosaurus.
The sun doesn't actually "rise", as you know, that's an illusion, a bit of ancient poetry, servicible enough in its ways, but not the reality that what we're really experiencing is the planet's turning on its axis.
That's why I used the word dawn, and not sunrise.
The fact that I or you do exist is what makes it beyond merely the reasonable, and all the way into our shared actual reality, and that's the same for the mosquito and the cockroach.
Unless it's really just me, and only my imagining you, but that avenue doesn't take us very far, does it?
Limits to our knowledge?
Of course, and there always will be, even as, or, more accurately, if, we manage to endure long enough to also learn more.
But that limitation doesn't, of itself, in any way make either necessary or even valid the existence of some superior entity.
Morals?
Well, let's see.
I don't, for instance, shoplift, and I do, for instance, hold doors if I see there's someone else who's about to go through.
Neither of those personally chosen and developed habits have the slightest to do with whether or not there's some measuring entity, let alone divinity, observing my behavior.
Greg.
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Something along these lines
| Posted On: 02/12/08 03:35:11 PM |
Age 58, MA |
Very abbreviated, FDR and Ike, updated.
A newer New Deal, and the awareness of the dangers inherent with the military-industrial-Congressional complex.
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Depends
| Posted On: 02/11/08 06:23:25 PM |
Age 58, MA |
Do you mean founding fathers like Jefferson, Franklin, and Madison, or were you perhaps thinking of some country other than the United States?
If it's the first, read what those gentlemen actually wrote, especially in regards to the dangers of religions having influence in America's political structures.
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Maybe not
| Posted On: 02/11/08 06:13:56 PM |
Age 58, MA |
But then, you haven't answered mine, have you?
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OK, nevermind...
| Posted On: 02/11/08 02:34:58 PM |
Age 20, MN |
your posts finally did pop up, thus answering my question. However, I am curious by your definition of what a better Republican or Democrat would look like. Have a great day! :)
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Informative article
| Posted On: 02/11/08 02:18:50 PM |
Age 39, GA |
Very interesting. Perhaps Focus on the Family should change their name to "Focus on the Money." ;)
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CAN GOD BE KNOWN AS A FACT
| Posted On: 02/09/08 11:16:08 PM |
Age 64, OH |
you are correct there is a difference between belief and reality. But just because you do not know something as fact does not mean that someone else can not know it as fact. I know The Lord Jesus Christ personally and he has shown me many things to be fact. If there God is a fact then he is certainly capable of proving ANY reality that he pleases to show someone. It is arrogant to think because you do not know God that someone else can not know God with a certainty. Lou
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For the GOP?
| Posted On: 02/09/08 05:16:06 PM |
Age 58, MA |
Find better Republicans.
I'm for that, because that makes for better Democrats.
Right now, and for decades, the national GOP
leadership has gone towards a united Party at the cost of a divided nation.
And the national Democratic leadership has tried to follow them right down that same tube, by trying to mimic the GOP's positions.
None of that has been at all to any benefit for the average American.
The center got shifted, and it got shifted, eventually, drastically, even if it was also done gradually, by and for those at the very top, but it hasn't done the rest of us any good.
Edwards had a good point, in that the division isn't as much on the horizontal, on the left/right, as it is on the vertical, the top/bottom.
That's been the result, and the result has been in no way accidental, but the wedges that were used to accomplish that were driven into the horizontal, and they were deliberately done so by the modern national GOP leadership, with the modern national Democratic leadership scrambling to accomodate.
Yup, better Republicans, with better reasons to be Republicans.
Of course it'd work the other way too, better Democrats, with better reasons to be Democrats, would help foster better Republicans.
I'm working on that too.
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What genuine conservative Christian voters should do...
| Posted On: 02/09/08 01:29:37 PM |
Age 64, OR |
Over the past 20+ years authentic conservative Christians have been deceived and duped by those protituting themselves just to get our vote. So, isn't the time RIGHT for authentic Christians band together with spiritual solidarity and not compromise our beliefs and values? Consider this...all authentic Christians create a bona fide third party political front to force the Democrats and Republicans to be more honest, patriotic, and spiritual by returning to the values of our nation's founding fathers. As long as real conservitives and Christians continue supporting left-of-center Republicans and Democrates you are compromising your personal beliefs and values...that's a fact@
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Not really...
| Posted On: 02/09/08 11:02:45 AM |
Age 20, MN |
You asked the question to someone else, not me (unless I misunderstood that it was a general question), hence why I did not answer. Anyway, you still did not answer my question.
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How reasonable is reason?
| Posted On: 02/09/08 11:02:23 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Your response is interesting. Donald Rumsfeld brilliantly said: There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns." How true. Yet, because we know something we know, or know what is not known, or don't even know what is unknown, doesn't distract from the truth that they exist. What I'm saying is the fact that unknowns exist is proof that they are. Agreed? There are many things we know we don't know or don't even know we don't know yet we rely on our faith to coexist daily. Take for instance gravity, the sun rising, morality, decision making, fresh air. You said the dawn is from the east, really? Is our planet situated N,S,E,W in our universe or is this a man made idea to try to explain the unknown? Many of these things you accept as truth are barely understood or not at all, yet we rely on them and our interaction with them constantly. You think reason is enough to coexist in our world? That's unreasonable because your known knowns are miniscule compared with your faith in what is not known. Consider your faith in the material world (we're not even talking about the Spiritual yet) and get back with me about how reasonable it is that you even exist at all. John
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Posting difficulties
| Posted On: 02/09/08 06:44:57 AM |
Age 58, MA |
I tried to tack responses onto individual posts, but, somehow, no go.
So we'll try things this way.
To Age 20, in MN, who wanted to know what I was hinting at:
You tried to change the topic.
I asked three questions.
How long has the GOP been abusing American Christians?
What was the pivotal beginning event in that
abuse?
Who should be on the list of those who abused
American Christians to gain political power?
If you saw something in those questions that also began to give you glimmers of other ideas, so much the better, conversations can have that effect.
Now, to 59, in TX:
Two posts, with that.
I can't say for sure, but I'm going to treat things as though they're both from the same person.
No, I'm not a Christian.
I'm here because I was invited.
Is being a Christian a requirement for posting in a political thread?
For that matter, since I was invited here to
examine what was being talked about, and then invited to post, is it a requirement for posting here at all?
I haven't been at all disrespectful, not to anyone, not in any way.
That's one post.
As for the other: are we to take it that you
think that there have been no Christian Presidents in your lifetime, and no viable
Christian Presidential candidates in this election cycle either?
We're of the same age range, for both of us, the first Presidential election we could vote in was 1972.
That's nine completed Presidential elections
since the two of us became eligible to vote, and, seemingly, in your view, no Christian Presidents during that time.
Was it that you didn't vote in any of those elections, or was it that the candidates you voted for didn't win election, or was it that, in the cases where you voted, and the candidate you voted for won, that the candidate's lack of Christianity wasn't a significant factor in your decision?
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Out of curiousity...
| Posted On: 02/08/08 08:57:56 PM |
Age 20, MN |
what exactly are you trying to hint at? Yeah, the GOP has got problems? Exactly what are you suggesting should be done?
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Why are you here?
| Posted On: 02/08/08 07:30:41 PM |
Age 59, TX |
What are you doing on this board? You are clearly not a Christian, so why does this interest you?
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Who says either one?
| Posted On: 02/08/08 07:25:53 PM |
Age 59, TX |
Who says either category has an answer? I don't think anyone fufills these categories.
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It's good
| Posted On: 02/08/08 02:35:09 PM |
Age 58, MA |
It's good that you're someone who has come to see that the GOP has been using, abusing, and misusing you.
Do you have an estimate of how long that's been going on?
Do you have a pivotal moment when you think that began?
Do you have a list of names of those you think did that to you?
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Your alternatives?
| Posted On: 02/08/08 02:03:16 PM |
Age 58, MA |
For the two stated categories, your alternative suggestions would be...?
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