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| Posted On: 02/21/08 10:12:42 AM |
Age 19, NE |
First of all, I am not arguing from a logic where it's okay to slaughter people whole sale for going against the government. My point was that atheism isn't the cause for what they did, because it has to beliefs or tenants that people should follow which could cause them to do these terrible things. Saying, "We don't believe there's a god" and "We should kill these people who are different from us" are part of two separate ideas.
Secondly, why is it that you say that the Nazi party wanted to suppress people who didn't agree with their atheistic views? It seems strange that this would be true considering that Hitler was a Christian. In case you say he wasn't, it certainly seems that way if you read this quote from Mein Kampf,
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
This is just one quote of many. If you want to see more just Google "Hitler Christian" and you should get something. I'll admit that the Nazi party was a socialist party and technically not part of a religion. However, the same could be said for the U.S. and the major political parties in the country. The U.S. is founded on a secular constitution and the Republican and Democratic parties are political groups that don't require a certain religious affiliation. However, this doesn't stop people in the group from having opinions on religion. The same goes for the Nazis, who were majority Christan and in some cases influenced to act because of their Christan beliefs.
Thirdly, the argument about atrocities committed by religious people is meant to illustrate that adherence to a religion doesn't give people the moral high ground. Believers could kill and harm others just as easily as non-believers. However, their non-belief isn't a cause for their crimes. Theism and atheism have no core beliefs and cannot be causes for these events. You only get reasons for these actions you pile ideas and philosophies on top of them such as with Christianity, Islam, Communism, etc.
Finally I'm assuming you agreed with the part about Japan, Pakistan, and Turkey not being atheistic. Also sorry I'm so lengthy.
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so it's ok...
| Posted On: 02/20/08 03:53:32 PM |
Age 44, IL |
so accordind to your "logic" it's ok for athistic regimes to kill to control the dissenting population? what kind of nonsense is that. Seriously,you need to do your research also. Nazi germany was NOT blatantly Christian. It was blatantly national sosialistic.Which in of itself suppressed everyone who did not agree with their atheistic views.Also,the VERY weak argument of the crusader mentality is very old and worn out. There is no way that the crusades can even be compared to the visciousness of atheistic regimes. Ten of millions killed as compared to tens of thousands,please,go do some more research.And the crusades were in response to aggression from islamic attacks. So please,get your facts straight, and come up with something fresh.
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Your own poison
| Posted On: 02/20/08 08:27:31 AM |
Age 19, NE |
If you say that it would be cowardly to go to Saudi Arabia and speak out against Islam as an atheist, couldn't you also say that a Christan who wouldn't go to Saudi Arabia and preach against Islam is just as cowardly? Are you willing to potentially die for really nothing except making Muslims mad? I know I wouldn't, not because I'm a coward, but because I'm not a moron
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Research
| Posted On: 02/19/08 11:58:26 PM |
Age 19, NE |
Seriously you people need to research things much better. A lot of the instances you mentioned were of not countries that were officially atheistic, but just didn't like christians (i.e. Japan (Shinto), Pakistan (Islam), Turkey (Islam)) or, in the case Nazi Germany, blatantly christian. Furthermore, in the countries that endorsed atheism, the atrocities weren't caused by any atheistic beliefs, but the attempts to control dissent.
If religious beliefs have an effect on readiness to commit atrocities, it would more likely be from the presence rather than the lack thereof. Particularly if you consider things such as the Crusades, the inquisitions, the murder and forceful conversion of Native Americans, and the more modern bombings in New York and London.
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. ~ Steven Weinberg
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are you kidding?
| Posted On: 02/17/08 07:16:36 AM |
Age 44, IL |
what atheist regimes? are you kidding? the former ussr,communist china, mao's army between 1923-1949,nazi germany,communist poland,communist cambodia,communist viet nam,communist yugoslavia,the anti-christian mexican revolution,turkey, pakistan and japan should also be mentioned. If you want a break down of how many were murdered I can certainly provide those numbers for you. It's a fact,atheistic regimes feel no moral restraint. Murderous dictators have shown no hesitation in commiting mass murder,believing it will advance their more rational and scientific social aims.
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*snort*
| Posted On: 02/15/08 05:25:40 AM |
Age 18, CZECH REPUBLIC |
And which Atheist Regimes would that be? Care to elaborate?
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no thanks...
| Posted On: 02/14/08 07:45:02 PM |
Age 44, IL |
you forgot to mention the almost 170 million people murdered by atheist regimes in the last few centuries. It's funny how atheists always forget that! And I will keep using all the benefits of technology.After all,it is God who provides. I will be praying for all atheists everywhere.
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Grow up.
| Posted On: 02/12/08 12:02:49 PM |
Age 27, MEXICO |
We do not speak of muslims the way we speak of christians because we are not surrounded by muslims. The direct threat, the one who is pulling us in the USA and Mexico to the Dark Ages again, are Christians. We know that they are more tolerant towards criticism than muslims nowadays, that they won't burn us in the stake today, but they did it a few centuries ago, for the love of Christ and the salvation of our souls. So thank you, but no. Chistians are not my enemies, but their religion is. All those evidence in the Nets about the accuracy of the Bible is poor, really bad fundamented, and supported by faith and not by scientific standars. The few parts that are correct do not contradict evolution, heliocentrism or any other scientific theory.
You know what? If you do not believe in Evolution, why should you believe in technology? Is based in the same type of thought: scientific one. So, get out of the internet (electronic, neural network), stop using microwaves (Quantum Physic), telephone (Electricity), and antibiotics (modern biology and medicine uses explicitly on its research evolution data). Go get Amish or something like that. Be coherent. Farewell, as I may only hear from you in the Discovery Channel, praying to a guy who was born of a virgin...
PD: A lot of scientists have died for your sins also. Hypatia, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, many physicians of the XV century, accused of witchcraft. Do you believe in Witchcraft also? Honour them.
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Slavery defined by the Bible
| Posted On: 02/10/08 05:52:11 AM |
Age 18, CZECH REPUBLIC |
Slavery in the Bible is just like we came to know it. God DOES allows us to go and steal some people from their homeland, ship them to our plantation and make them work for nothing!
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
But you should never have slaves from among your own people, but with other peoples it's okay! Really! It's not like they're human!
Okay, that's not entirely true. You CAN have a slave from your own people. But there are rules:
"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)"
Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?
(Last paragraph shamelessly copied from http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm)
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Um...Not?
| Posted On: 02/04/08 01:25:22 PM |
Age 18, CZECH REPUBLIC |
Okay, after displaying a level of ignorance of evolution that I have rarely seen before you criticize atheists for... not hate-mailing Muslims? O~kay?
Question: Why are you not trying to convert Muslims on their blogs? After all, it is your duty as a Christian to point the way of your one chance to salvation et cetera.
The fact is - atheists think as little of Muslims as they do of Christians and write accordingly on their respective blogs. And then they get spammed and hate-mailed by loads of Christians. You know, since this is the English blogosphere and there are more English-speaking Christian bloggers than Muslim bloggers, we pay more attention to the Christians since it's THEM who hate-mail us the most and tell us how we're going to be tortured forever for the offence of disagreeing. So, naturally, most attacks then focus on Christianity and sometimes are taken to Christian blogs, but rest assured, we reject Islam just as much.
I have seen only few (two, to be specific) Muslim blogs and none of those had ignorant anti-Darwinian contents and presented an offensively distorted portrayal of atheism. As long as they don’t try to convert me or threaten me with eternal damnation, hey, I’m cool.
Although it would certainly be interesting to see the Muslim equivalent of “Answers in Genesis”.
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Oh My!
| Posted On: 02/02/08 04:47:11 PM |
Age 48, IL |
Islam has just as much evidential support and logical consistency as Christianity. Zero. Nil. Nada.
Ray's rant was just ludicrous, showcasing his usual lack of knowledge of science, especially evolution, and his incredibly deficient reasoning skills. But I draw the line at "Do your “I don’t believe in the flying spaghetti monster” thing". How dare Ray insult the Pastafarians like this! He doesn't need to worry about any non-existent god or devil, but the wrath of the almighty FSM. Ray will be touched by His Noodly Appendage, and not in a good way. Aaaaarrrggghhhh!
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You've got it wrong...too
| Posted On: 02/01/08 11:10:13 PM |
Age 19, MN |
"YOU need to think about what you are doing to those who are quite happy the way they are. And if there are atheists who are not happy, they will come to you."
Someone who is happy has little weight to whether we (or at least should) go out and witness to that person. Just so you are aware, the gospel is not about making you happy or wealthy or thrilled or any of the like (though this can be a side effect :D).
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Chickens lie, too.
| Posted On: 02/01/08 04:24:06 PM |
Age 19, WI |
A couple of sentances in a couple of atheist bibles--er, I mean books--does not mean atheists (I'm not changing to "Non-theists" no matter how much you use it) attack Muslims with half the viciousness that they do Christians. Or any other faith, really.
Take a Muslim on Larry King Live and grill them about how intolerent and foolish their faith is, asking them how dare they think they are actually correct about something. For all the "intelligence" going on between atheist ears, it amazes me that they missed the point of such a simple message from Ray. Your attacks are much less frequent on other faiths, and they would NEVER be as vicious. Go call a muslim blind, stupid, and that he's using his faith for a cruth. Then run.
The real truth is that Christianity bothers you because it magnifies what your conscience already attests to: You are guilty before your Maker, and your time is running out.
-Matt
P.S.: To my Christian friend that got all upset about this article... Rebuking enemies of God for their underhanded tactics is not unbiblical. Check out the New Testament.
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How many atheists.....?
| Posted On: 01/31/08 11:05:29 PM |
Age 36, TN |
How many atheists does it take to screw in a lightbulb. NONE! If they just wait a million years, the light bulb will simply screw in itself!
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| Posted On: 01/30/08 09:19:07 PM |
Age 30, IA |
You're comparing mouth to anus?
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Not a big difference
| Posted On: 01/30/08 06:20:38 PM |
Age 55, CA |
Here's where I like to remind the Christian that the atheist refuses to believe in every single god that the Christian refuses to believe in.
Plus one.
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ack?
| Posted On: 01/30/08 03:15:03 PM |
Age 39, ENGLAND |
Quote: "what you should be doing is finding a way to mesh your bible stories with scientific evidence to make the whole thing more plausible..." why? Our mission in life is to warn people of what is going to happen to them when they die if they continue to reject Jesus' offer of salvation. Are you suggesting that we ignore what Jesus told us and follow your opinion instead?
Oh, by the way the issue of Adam and Eve and all the other things you may have a problem with in the bible, have all been answered by scientists, doctors, professors etc, look it up on the internet it's all there, the answersingenesis guys have a lot of detailed, peer reviewed, papers which show, using proven scientific methods, how the evidence we find here on earth, e.g. DNA sequencing or fossils of marine animals on top of mountains etc. does agree with the biblical account of history. You should study something before blindly rejecting it.
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Atheists have spoken out . . . a little
| Posted On: 01/30/08 01:48:46 PM |
Age 46, MO |
You've missed something of Comfort's point. It's one thing to write your own comments on your own site; it's quite another to surf to the site of someone with whom you vehemently disagree and proceed to do so with lots of vitriol and mockery. Sure, Harris et al write this stuff on their own pages. All of us are aware of that. Comfort is talking about (challenging, even) those non-theists who visit Christians' sites with the sole purpose of baiting and barking at them to go to Muslims' sites and do the same. I dare say he's right; there are probably few if any non-theists who try. Why? Because as much as you dislike Christians, you're confident we won't issue fatwas against you.
It is, essentially, the same kind of cowardly bully seen on elementary school playgrounds. You dislike kid A and kid B equally, but you pick on kid A and leave B alone because you know B will kick your a-- and A won't.
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A note on capitalisation.
| Posted On: 01/30/08 02:56:12 AM |
Age 99, AUSTRALIA |
Ray Comfort said: "Talk about Mohammed as you do Jesus (use lower case for Mohamed). Do your "I don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster" thing. Tell them that we weren't made by a god (lower case)"
Ray, just a note about capitalisaltion.
"Mohamed" and "Jesus" are capitalized when they refer to people, because they are proper nouns, when they don't refer to people they are not (eg "jesusnut").
"God/s" (except, as here, when it begins a sentence) is NOT capitalised because it is an abstract noun like "love".
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*headdesk*
| Posted On: 01/30/08 01:19:45 AM |
Age 22, AUSTRALIA |
ray. i think this post is just stupid and rather disrespectful towards not only your own religion (via you acting like a knob) but also towards islam/muslim creeds as well as athiests.
you are advocating a form of violence which is something i find disgusting in a christian. it's kinda hypocritical which is why there are so many people that find the religion to be a bit false.
but also... are you completly going against scientific evidence? what you should be doing is finding a way to mesh your bible stories with scientific evidence to make the whole thing more plausable...
the whole idea of decent purely from adam and eve is disgusting... talk about incest right there.
ack.
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