You missed the point...typical
| Posted On: 11/16/08 04:12:10 AM |
Age 48, WV |
You missed the point either intentionally or unintentionally...and that's typical of the Atheists that I've talked to.
You said:
Is this Christianity's best defense against science at this point? Name calling? Let me try: Religious people are ... like ... lemmings! I don't really feel better now. Maybe a rational discussion would help.
The point of the post was NOT a defense of the Christian worldview, nor of any specific Christian claims...it was a challenge.
A challenge to you to say and do the same things that you do to Christians, to Muslims.
Well...now that it's been explained...are you going to be consistent in your criticism or not?
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another response..
| Posted On: 11/09/08 10:42:17 AM |
Age 18, ENGLAND |
you wrote: "You tried to undermine science and reason, in my school. You cam to my HOUSE to tell me Jesus had a message for me. (Not you personally... but some Christians) If you had kept to yourself I wouldn't see the need to push the issue. If you keep you Invisible Friend out of my school, I'll keep my reason and rationality out of your Church." Well the whole evolution thing was taught at school aswell. There isnt alot you can do about the whole RE thing in schools, cos you get taught about them all, so stop moaning about it.
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Near Death Experiences of Atheists...True stories.
| Posted On: 10/29/08 05:30:10 PM |
Age 33, SC |
Want to know what death is like for those who DON'T believe in God or His Son Jesus Christ...Click on the link below.
I challenge you to hear these FORMER Atheists stories and come to your own conclusion. Then explore the link below it to discover the TRUTH and REALITY of HELL (for those who don't believe) despite your own human "critical thinking" wisdom about the universe!
http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Rawlings/Dr_Rawlings_Near_Death_Experiences.htm
www.spiritlessons.com
“If sinners are to be damned, let them leap over our bodies to do so”
Charles H. Spurgeon
"There are people that talk about light, there are people that talk about floating above, there are people that talk about warmth and love, I didn’t feel any of that, I felt none of that. I felt untold terror. It is very easy to be an atheist when you’re successful, but it’s very difficult to be an atheist when you’re lying on your death bed." Dr. Donald Whitaker (former Atheist)
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debating Atheists
| Posted On: 08/17/08 12:54:35 AM |
Age 48, ME |
I've spent so much time painstakingly going over much biblical, scientific data sharing pages & pages of material including articles about many many ex-evolutionist scientists leaving their previously dearly held darwinism beliefs even and why they left it.This I did patiently and kindly without repaying insults ect, only to be viciously insulted & repeatedly verbally abused these past few mos. on another site/app called "Does God Exist?" All this to say I think I tossed pearls before swine & gave what is holy to the dogs. The worse Atheists (i tried )to converse with were the so called 'ex Christians' I think it best to just pray for them it truly was a huge waste to bother. It is an emblem of these end times we are in saints of God. Even so Come Lord Jesus!
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Name calling never solves ahead. Turn the other cheek lolz anywho
| Posted On: 08/07/08 10:01:02 PM |
Age 16, FL |
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/archeology.htm
OT supporting archaeology anyone?!
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They proved your argument
| Posted On: 07/07/08 10:43:54 AM |
Age 40, ME |
It's kind of funny how they prove your argument with their comments on this article, all the while proclaiming (!) they don't verbally attack us. Atheism is nothing more than an excuse to live a Godless life style. Evolution is a theory that can not (as has already been admited to by numerous scientist, Christian and non-Christian) work. But they cling to it, because the only other explaination, the one that make perfect sense and is in harmony with nature, would mean that they are wrong, and means that they must also acknowledge there is a Creator. And they'll never do that. Well, not in this world anyway. They don't get it that their rantings and ravings against God, the Bible, and those of us who believe it, is proof itself that we are right. They play right into the enemies hands, pawns and play things. Sadly, the joke will be on them in the end. I don't get angry or all ruffled up when they start spouting their godless rhetoric. It's affirmation that I'm on the right track. To me, to argue with them is a pointless waste of time. They use the same tired old arguments that have been thoroughly refuted time and time again. Satan doesn't have much of an imagination, clearly. Not only that, the detractors here missed your point completely I think. And I believe that is that few, very few, people will verbally attack Islam and expose it. However, on the other hand, Christianity is a constant favored target, which itself again, is prophetic. They are too blind decieved and self absorbed to see and realize that every time they open their mouth against Christians, the Bible, God, or Christianity (true fundamental Bible Christianty), they are fulfilling prophecy.
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What?
| Posted On: 07/02/08 01:15:29 PM |
Age 17, AK |
You would have to be insane and xenophobic to believe that if you post something insulting on a muslim message board, people will track you down and behead you.
Also, please don't mix metaphors so atrociously: "My new theory is that perhaps atheists evolved from the chicken... They hang around Christians like annoying little bugs hang around light, trying to inject their poison whenever they can." Besides, bugs don't inject poison into lights, they use them for navigation. Your ignorance of biology is apparent.
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strange
| Posted On: 05/18/08 06:25:32 AM |
Age 60, NY |
I noticed that this poster didi not make any comment concerning the athesist, But rather the Christian point of view, Maybe they are just a snake in the grass
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Responding to rational, Posted On: 04/04/08 09:38:43 PM by Age 53, OH
| Posted On: 05/10/08 06:17:31 PM |
Age 42, MI |
You wrote:
"That's just it, your aurgument isn't rational. If you don't believe there is a God, what drive's you to push this issue so much? Why even worry about it?"
You are mistaken. You tried to teach your religion in my school. You tried to undermine science and reason, in my school. You cam to my HOUSE to tell me Jesus had a message for me.
(Not you personally... but some Christians)
If you had kept to yourself I wouldn't see the need to push the issue. If you keep you Invisible Friend out of my school, I'll keep my reason and rationality out of your Church.
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Don't read too much into...
| Posted On: 04/22/08 07:18:00 AM |
Age 61, FL |
Ray... you are very fond of point out that there is no such thing as 'atheist morality'. You are quite right, you know... there IS NO SUCH THING as 'atheist morality.
It is very clever and observant of you to have noticed that.
Now... let me ask you... have you ALSO been clever enough to notice that there is no such thing as atheist philosophy?... atheist beliefs?... atheist dogma?... atheist faith?... atheist agenda?
'Atheist' is just the name that delusionists (religious people) have decided to apply to those sane and rational people who ARE NOT so gullible and stupid as to actually 'believe' that your stories about invisible, magical, all-powerful, supernatural sky fairies (gods) are really 'true'.
In other words, the people who you refer to as 'atheists' are, for the most part, just those rare people who are actually capable of 'critical thinking'... which is a prerequisite to possessing a functional BS alarm.... and christianity cannot get past a functional BS alarm.
You seem to want people to believe that up until the time that 'christianity' hatched, nobody had any idea of how to cooperate and behave and get along among other people. Wow... what a revelation. I'm stunned to be just now learning that. So... that must mean that the torture, murder, genocide and general killing of tens of millions of people that's been done in the name of god and Jesus was... 'moral'. Wow... I never realized that.
Here's something that you might want to think about... 'belief' is the ILLUSION of knowledge... a lame and pathetic SUBSTITUTE for knowledge. That means that when you are faced with not 'knowing' something, you do not take the only sane, rational and logically justifiable intellectual position that is available to you... that being: "I don't know." Instead, you trick yourself (or let others trick you) into thinking that you DO know, by the all-encompassing expediency of declaring: "God did it"... thus relieving yourself of the onerous chore of having to think for yourself.
It is ironic that you chose to end your post with the word 'think'... a concept which is obviously quite alien to you.
You ought to look up the logical fallacy known as the "Argument from Incredulity', a.k.a 'The Divine Fallacy'. It should be instructive.
Anyway... you are operating under the misconception... the false impression... that atheists are attacking christianity. But that is true only by implication, as we shall presently see. It IS NOT 'atheists' who are doing the griping. 'Atheists' have no axe to grind. They're just sane, rational people who have functional BS alarms. They just don't believe your god-stories. That's it... that's all... finis... end of story. Done with atheists.
So... now that we have dispensed with those pesky, annoying atheists... we come around to highly intelligent, well educated, sane, rational and critically thinking people. They... as a rule... tend to look with disfavor and scorn upon gullibility, irrationality, willful ignorance, self-deception, self-delusion, intellectual dishonesty, lies, hypocrisy and drooling stupidity. Many of these people feel that it their ethical duty and moral responsibility to confront ANY of those insults to the human intellect, human dignity and the human condition whenever, wherever and however they encounter them. It just so happens (coincidentally, of course) that religion... particularly the Abrahamic death-cults of desert monotheism (Judaism, Islam, Christianity)... embody most or all of those dubious 'qualities' into one neat and tidy package (with a bow on top), where they can be confronted all at once.
Confronting religion, then... serendipitously (as a happy incident)... becomes a simple matter of efficiency. Highly intelligent, well educated, sane, rational and critically thinking people... generally speaking... LIKE efficiency.
In summary... atheists are simply people who do not believe in invisible, magical, all-powerful, supernatural sky-fairies (gods). That is all.... that is the ONLY thing that defines atheists. So... taking issue with religion is NOT an 'atheist thing'... rather, it is a 'sane and rational' thing. People just get blinded and distracted by the peculiar and eerie coincidence that the vast majority of highly intelligent, well educated, sane, rational and critically thinking people ALSO happen to be atheists.
You should try not to read too much into that.
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The good old days...
| Posted On: 04/22/08 06:51:23 AM |
Age 61, FL |
Ray wrote: "So, think about what you are doing, and think about how much you value your life. Then think about what we are telling you. Think."
That comes across sort of like a thinly veiled threat, you know.
Islam is just about where christianity was 500 years. Then came the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason. It is during that period that secular humanist thought emerged... radical satanic ideals such as 'human rights', and the 'freedom of speech', and heretical notions like 'freedom of religion'.
As a consequence of these new humanistic ideas, christianity LOST the godly political power which had allowed them... over the course of the preceding 1,200 years... to simply torture and kill anybody who dared to espouse... or even let on that they were THINKING... non-biblical (i.e., heretical) ideas. (It is instructive to read up on Giordanno Bruno and Galileo.)
Anyway... Ray... it seems to me that you're jealous of your moslem brothers... your fellow delusionists ('delusionists' is how I have decided to think of and refer to religious people, henceforth). The only REAL difference... the only SIGNIFICANT difference between christianity and its younger brother... islam... is that islam has not yet had an 'enlightenment' to deprive it of the political power that you envy so much. Other than that... islam is just another one if the insane Abrahamic death cults of desert monotheism.
So... I think that you're just pining for the good old days... the times when you wouldn't have had to put up with ANY of this nonsense... when you could have just ordered that these annoying, heretical, apostate non-believers be burned at the stake, chucked into a vat of boiling oil or stoned to death for the ULTIMATE crime... not thinking as you do.
Ray... old buddy... ya know what?... you SCARE sane people.
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The issue is not the mean catholics
| Posted On: 04/15/08 12:58:10 PM |
Age 40, FL |
Alot of angry atheists. Can someone help me understand why any atheists would get so uppity on a site like this?
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Lithp thayth:
| Posted On: 04/14/08 11:43:48 PM |
Age 16, PA |
(For the record, the title reads "Lisp says" with a lisp. Any time I make commentary relating to religion, I refer to myself as "Lithp," because this is the name I use on a certain website. Right then, moving along:)
...Dude...it's M-U-S-L-I-M-S.
And I've said things to Muslims that I've said to Christians. The simple fact is that there are a lot more Christians around and I don't go out of my way to preach my beliefs to those who don't believe in them.
And I don't see how atheists are so horrible to you. In that little rant, you took a very racist stance, basically stating that all Muslims were sociopaths. Y'know, I have a cousin who converted to Islam. I was debating with her husband about whether or not the Abrahamic religions were true, and you know what he did? Well, he didn't "chop my head off," or compare me to a chicken, that's for sure.
Speaking of which, you sort of lost the extendend metaphor when the chickens started injecting venom. Just thought I'd point that out.
Lastly, I'd like to think I wouldn't pray if my life was in danger, but I was raised in a Christian family. Reflexive actions you were taught when you were in kindergarten are very hard to shake, so it's quite possible I might.
Now, I can't help but ask...what was the point in that whole thing? I mean sure, there are a lot of condescending atheists (I myself happen to have an Ego so large that I denote it with a capital "e"), but then there's the "Well, if you don't believe in Jesus, you're going to go to Hell and suffer forever and you'll deserve it!" people. I don't see how you're really helping the problem here....
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so..
| Posted On: 04/11/08 06:49:35 PM |
Age 19, ENGLAND |
so on the 6th day god created lightbulbs?..
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rational?
| Posted On: 04/04/08 09:38:43 PM |
Age 53, OH |
That's just it, your aurgument isn't rational. If you don't believe there is a God, what drive's you to push this issue so much? Why even worry about it?
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Who Is Chicken?
| Posted On: 03/22/08 02:30:20 AM |
Age 35, WA |
Dawkins is hardly a chicken. He showed up to a hostile environment (well at least unsympathetic), to advocate a position Christians simply refuse to consider.
Clearly the producers just want to build hype within the religious community because they realize the reviews are going to tear it apart. Then the true believers -- who've been told by their pastors how important this fim is -- can claim to be under attack by the "leftist atheists" again.
Sorry but that's the "Chicken."
<a href="http://dickard.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/expel-expelled/">Expelled Fails</a>
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Wow
| Posted On: 03/19/08 03:09:25 PM |
Age 37, CO |
Is this Christianity's best defense against science at this point? Name calling?
Let me try:
Religious people are ... like ... lemmings!
I don't really feel better now. Maybe a rational discussion would help.
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...right... Part two.
| Posted On: 03/09/08 08:39:06 AM |
Age 21, NC |
Continued. (Also, please excuse any multiples of anything I might post. I am still unfamiliar with this comment system.)
"If you are an atheist, I hope I’m ruffling your feathers."
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it will take a much better argument than the ones I've seen here to bother me in any way.
"I want to get under your skin and ask why you don’t have the courage to even whisper to Moslems what you keep shouting at Christians."
Well, if I personally don't, it's because I don't have the occasion to debate with many Muslims, and when I do, the topic is usually not religion.
"Prove me wrong. Get onto a Moslem website and tell them that you don’t believe their god exists."
I don't believe their god exists, because their god is the same as your god, and I do not believe in any interpretation of the Abrahamic god.
"Do your little “I don’t believe in Zeus” thing."
Ok. I don't believe in Zeus.
"Tell them they believe a myth. Talk about Mohammed as you do Jesus (use lower case for Mohamed)."
That would be grammatically inappropriate. As would spelling Jesus with a lower case initial letter be.
"Do your “I don’t believe in the flying spaghetti monster” thing."
I don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Though, I must say, the fact that Mr. Henderson assembled as much evidence for his god as the combined forces of two thousand years of Christians is quite an achievement.
"Tell them that we weren’t made by a god (lower case), but that they evolved from primates (that will go down well)."
Ok. Humans were not created, but in fact, evolved from an ancient humanoid species, a common ancestor we happen to share with many primates today.
"Also, let them know in no uncertain terms that the Koran is full of mistakes (give some examples), and that their mosques are full of hypocrites."
It is, actually.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
That link breaks it down nicely, so that I don't have to.
"You wouldn’t dare, because you are chicken-livered."
I believe I just did dare. Therefore, your argument, as insupportable as it already was, is now blatantly disproven and false.
"You know that they are not like Christians. Despite the “anonymity” of your little chicken coop, they would come after you to lop off your head."
I seriously doubt it. A logical Muslim would accept my belief that his god does not exist, and quite frankly, a fundamentalist Muslim is no more dangerous than a fundamentalist Christian.
Also, just out of curiosity, do you people agree with Fred Phelps?
"And when they find you, you would fall on your knees and be praying to God for help, quicker than I can move a fly swat . . . and I'm pretty quick."
I will never pray to that in which I do not believe.
"So, think about what you are doing, and think about how much you value your life. Then think about what we are telling you. Think."
I think my responses show that I have brain activity.
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...right...
| Posted On: 03/09/08 08:36:47 AM |
Age 21, NC |
Somehow, I expected more from this post. I didn't really know what to expect, as this is my first visit to this site, but I can say that I'm rather used to better arguments from Christians against atheists. And where I come from, let's just say that if I consider their arguments better, you have much work to do.
I mean, seriously. If the best thing you can think of to say to discredit atheists is to insult their intelligence with personal attacks, then you don't even deserve my time.
But, since I have nothing better to do this morning, I figure I'll work this out bit by bit.
"A loving Christian brother just emailed me and said, “Man-o-man. There are some bitter, furious, Christian hatin' bloggers out there!!!”"
I feel your pain. For every group that is in existence, there is someone who wishes to destroy them.
"I told him that he is seeing comparatively nice ones. I delete the bad blogs."
As is your right.
"He’s right though. Some of the atheists that are part of this blog are pretty nasty."
I would imagine that, despite my inevitable disagreement as to the nature of your usage of the term "nasty", you are correct.
"So, I have decided to return a bit of the fire (in love, of course)."
Having read the rest of this, I'd love to know how you consider this love.
"My new theory is that perhaps atheists evolved from the chicken, because they not only have chicken characteristics--a head, eyes, mouth, skin, neck, heart, earlobes and legs (homology structures),"
As do you, might I mention.
"but they also have the chicken’s tendencies--they are chicken livered."
Oh, I don't know. Attempting to discredit an entire group by insulting them with ad hominems seems to me to be quite cowardly.
Or, in the jargon some of my fellow internet compatriots would use, NO U.
"They hang around Christians like annoying little bugs hang around light, trying to inject their poison whenever they can."
See above.
Continued.
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sorry
| Posted On: 03/05/08 09:29:58 PM |
Age 44, IL |
sorry,but you have not really addressed the point I was making. That being,atheistic governments have little moral restraint as it applies to good moral judgement and responsible behavior.The facts are there to prove my argument. And adolph hitler was NOT a Christian,read the WHOLE context of what he wrote,don't just pick certain lines from the book. That is like coming up with a theory and then shaping the facts to fit your theory,kind of like how scientists have done with the THEORY of evolution.But I digress. Also,only someone completely devoid of the facts would argue that the nazis did not suppress those who did not agree with their form of governing. And hitler did insttute prayer in church ,but to worship him,and not to worship GOD.Once again,national sosialism is in no way shape or form associated with Christianity.They were not acting on their "Christian" beliefs,they were acting on their own Godless and atheistic beliefs. Try reading God and Government by Chuck Colson,it may clear up any isssues you have about the whole hitler and nazi misinformation thing you have. And why is it that atheists assume that the constitution is "secular?" It was written by GOD fearing men,who had a healthy love and respect for GOD.What do you mean theism has no core beliefs,have you not heard of the Ten Commandments?Or any other of the over 600 laws set forth in the bible? Please,where do come up with this stuff?
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