WELL!
| Posted On: 02/07/08 08:59:58 AM |
Age 27, FL |
Then explain Paul in ICor.14 when he says i speak in tongues more than all of you,do not forbid tongues, and i would rather you prophecy???
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to man who doesnt believe
| Posted On: 01/31/08 07:57:19 AM |
Age 60, MO |
without the holy spirit long
ago a baptist theologian admitted that tongues
were in the bible stubborn is the man
( wouldn't read act,s) man now thinks he is
smarter than god , simon the sorcerer saw this but when apostles found that the people were saved water baptised but haven't been baptised in the spirit they followed through you see very little manifestation of the holy spirit in church worship service getting emotional and saying nice thing don,t preach sin but don't preach this teaching of the baptism of the spirit apostate
he said i will send a comforter not a condemer
not and god never quits we did the German reformation was a apostacy it taught aganist
act.s as far dispensation this the church age
and he pouring his spirit out try it also it the holy spirit who will take the church home
a shout a trump study the church history of America baptist methodist presbyterian all preached this in the 1800 1700 and earl 1900
before the German church apostasy
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GOD IS NOT BOUND BY TIME
| Posted On: 01/29/08 06:56:23 PM |
Age 64, OH |
If tongues were as you say 'only for Pentecost" and for no other time then please answer this question if you would. The donkey who spoke to Balaam; by who did the donkey speak if not by the Holy Spirit. The message to Balaam was from God was it not. So did the donkey know God and then speak out of it's own soul. That would be silly to believe that. The Holy Spirit spoke through the donkey and it was a tongue which the Holy Spirit spoke. So tongues appears to also be for a time long ago. And what of Paul who long after pentecost wrote this. 1Cor 14:Orderly Worship
26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a TONGUE or an interpretation. ALL THESE MUST BE DONE for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
You can choose to follow your doctrine or choose to believe the scripture. NOW AS TO GRACE - IF Abraham did not have grace from God then how did he have faith. For Paul says it is by grace that we have faith. In fact turn to Hebrews 11 and tell me how these men of faith had faith if not by grace the same as the grace that allows us to have faith. How was their weakness turned to strength if not by grace. If they was turned from weakness to strength, as the scriptures say, then surly no one needs grace to do the same, for if they could do it, then God should expect you to do the same without grace. Jesus tells us that we get the mercy and grace that we extend to others. If we give these men of old no grace then will we receive grace. God is NOT bound by time. Rev 13:8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was SLAIN FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. If the cross was bound by time one could argue as you do that the men of old were born too early to be saved by the blood of the cross. But they could use the same argument to say that you were born too late for the blood of the cross. Lou
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Seeing it happen!
| Posted On: 01/28/08 08:26:05 PM |
Age 49, MI |
By God's grace we're watching the lights go on in the minds and hearts of many of the children in our church by integrating this very teaching into our Sunday School and Children's Church programs. That our problem is SIN and that a HOLY LIFE that comes through a relationship with Jesus Christ is the answer is CONSTANTLY stressed. This is threaded through memorizing the books of the Bible, the themes, and simple outlines of each books, verses, as well as teaching the beloved stories. It is no surprise that these programs are seeing steady growth in attendance. Parents are amazed at what their kids are learning and living! Pray for our little church in Michigan. God is working!
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now tongues
| Posted On: 01/28/08 04:11:23 PM |
Age 57, AR |
Scripture says tongues were for a sign for those who did not believe. There was a purpose, that's why they spoke in the recipients own tongue, so they would be able to understand the gospel being preached. Gospel preaching, there's nothing like it. It's music to the ears, if your soul is Christ's. If not, it hurts to the marrow. I don't need tongues or emotional movements, but if God so desires me to be and do what he purposes, who am I to say no?
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Toungue - christianity
| Posted On: 01/26/08 11:17:49 AM |
Age 74, TX |
We need to understand the Word of God in the light of dispensations- God's time table on human history.
Jesus Christ was born in the dispensation of law and he lived a fulfilled the law.
We live in the dispensation of Grace.
On the day of pentecost what happened was a
unique event,when God introducesd the Holy spirit which is the begining of the dispensation of Grace.
The event of the diciples speaking in other languages was for a definite purpose, and is
never to be repeated.Today Holy spirit indwells every born again christian.
Holy spirit is one of 34 things God gives
to every body at the time of rebirth.
Speaking in unknown jibrish is not a manifestation of the presence of Holy spirit
and IS UNBIBLICAL.It is the work of the enemy building counterfeit religion.
Study the Word.
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Toungue - christianity
| Posted On: 01/26/08 11:10:25 AM |
Age 74, TX |
We need to understand the Word of God in the light of dispensations- God's time table on human history.
Jesus Christ was born in the dispensation of law and he lived a fulfilled the law.
We live in the dispensation of Grace.
On the day of pentecost what happened was a
unique event,when God introducesd the Holy spirit which is the begining of the dispensation of Grace.
The event of the diciples speaking in other languages was for a definite purpose, and is
never to be repeated.Today Holy spirit indwells every born again christian.
Holy spirit is one of 34 things God gives
to every body at the time of rebirth.
Speaking in unknown jibrish is not a manifestation of the presence of Holy spirit
and IS UNBIBLICAL.It is the work of the enemy building counterfeit religion.
Study the Word.
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ARE TONGUES OF THE LORD TODAY
| Posted On: 01/25/08 03:31:23 PM |
Age 64, OH |
You say, tongues are not for today and would do no good for a lost person. From the tongues I have heard in most churches I would agree with you. When spoke in the flesh tongues are of no good. But the same is true of most preaching today, so would you say that preaching is not for today. The counterfeit does not DISPROVE the real but it is evidence that the real does exist. Look at Pentecost when the Holy Spirit spoke in tongues through the disciples, IT WAS TO THE LOST that he was preaching in tongues. But this was of the Spirit and not of the flesh. They all heard Peter in their native tongue. Thousands of lost souls were brought to the Lord Jesus through tongues. If you say tongues are past, then someone can use the same argument to say the cross is past. As you say they were born too late for tongues, they can say you were born too late for the cross. God forbid we would ever say God has changed. The cross is NOT bound by time and tongues are not bound by time; for God is not bound by time. Tongues are a gift of God for anyone He pleases to give it to anytime He so desires. Look at the donkey that spoke to Balaam, for donkeys can not speak. It was the Holy Spirit who spoke through the donkey. That is tongues of some kind is it not. But one does mot have to see any of that reason to say you can not say there are no tongues. We are not our own but we are the servants of the Lord Jesus. We can not tell the Lord how to minister through us. He is sovereign and we must leave Him be God and do whatever He tells us to. The pharisees tried to say what God could do and what he could not do and they were lost forever. I have never spoke in tongues, although I may have some very humble prayer language of three words. I have heard people speak tongues in the flesh thousands of times. I could count on my fingers the number of times I have heard someone speak in tongues from the Holy Spirit. I hope you will pray and reconsider your position, because it is a serious thing to call something of the Holy Spirit evil. May God bless you dear friend. Lou
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signs and wonders
| Posted On: 01/25/08 06:07:14 AM |
Age 57, AR |
I attend a church where the Pastor preaches so much the word of God, that I know he will be one of the first preachers to be arrested when persecution hits our town. I don't believe tongues is for today. Tongues would do no good for me as a lost person coming to hear God's word. Been there, done that. God's word is revelation enough for us, if we just study it. BUT, I do believe with all my heart that we have drawn back from the Lord, and have gotten cold. So cold that God will not visit us as a gathering, until we get our hearts right.
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Great article
| Posted On: 01/24/08 03:08:04 PM |
Age 47, LA |
Thank you for this article. My journey, once saved, has taken me from the church of my youth to many different aspects of the Christian faith. I have been sorely dissapointed with the church in general concerning their approach to the awesomely important subject of the "baptism of the Holy Spirit." It seems the different camps whether "toungues is of the devil" or "if you do not speak in toungues your not saved" lose in my opinion the most important two things one can say and understand about this. 1) Jesus told the disciples to wait for "the Promise of the Father." What an awesome thing and what a tragedy that preachers around the world do not approach this entire subject from that prospective first. Who does no want a promise from God the Father. The same Father that sent His Son to die to free us from sin. 2)This one you covered in your article beautifully. The power to be witnesses of this great message of salvation. The Bible says that the manifold wisdom of God would be shown to the pricipalities and powers through His Church. I believe the three signs you explained, the reality of the manifest Presence of God and what they mean to us today are important for us to accomplish this in the Holy Spirit to the glory of God. Bless you.
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Great Article
| Posted On: 01/24/08 08:05:18 AM |
Age 41, NM |
Mr. Eliff, I have come to really appreciate your writing and insight. I'm a pentecostal Pastor who was raised in a great Baptist church. I have witnessed and experienced "gifts of the Spirit" such as speaking in tongues, but I also see that, often, we pentecostals seek the "sign" rather than what they symbolize. And that, quite frankly, is a useless waste of time, driven by the flesh rather than the Spirit. We need the presence of God (fire), His regenerating power (wind), and a Holy Spirit unction and anointing to proclaim the gospel clearly. The Bible tells us that the "Gospel" is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes...it does not tell us that "signs and wonders" are the power of God for salvation. Thanks Jim, for a great article!
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AMEN!
| Posted On: 01/23/08 06:58:55 PM |
Age 74, MN |
I remember as a girl hearing preachers (some in tents) who were not always grammatical, some with scandinavian accents, who preached earnestly about the fact that man was a sinner and that the only cure was the salvation purchased by Christ on Calvary. I hear very little of that type of preaching today. I don't hear the intense desire to have the spirit work to call men to Jesus. I don't see people spending time in prayer to see people saved. And I don't see people coming to Christ weeping over their sins. Could it be because the preachers don't really think it's polite to mention sin? Could it be because they are more concerned with how many attend their "crusade" than with how many realize their need of savlation? Thanks for a good, insightful article.
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