MY APOLOGY
| Posted On: 01/26/08 09:48:32 AM |
Age 64, OH |
I apologize for the title of this reply. that is my mistake. I proof read most of my posts but will have to start to proof read the titles also as the title is the last thing I write. The title should have read different to be correct. MANY SAY KING JAMES WAS A CATHOLIC - His mother was "bloody Mary" and so catholic that she had many protestants killed. James was very sympathetic toward catholics and this angered many. England did not want another catholic Monarch so who knows what deal was made with James for him to be made the king. In other words James could have agreed to claim to protestant but still held catholic beliefs -- WHO TRIED TO KILL TYNDALE - this part of the title is just plain wrong, which is a sign for me to slow down and read what I wrote. I did not mean for this to read this way. It should read AND THE KING AND THE LEADERS OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND TRIED TO KILL TYNDALE.- Obviously too long but it conveys the truth which the 1st one does not. The King and the leaders of the church of England did persecute William Tyndale and he fled to Europe where the catholics killed him. many think the King put the catholics onto Tyndale and the church leaders certainly did burn Tyndale's Bibles. But James was a later king and he and his church leaders were against the bible being translated into English until they could not keep the Tyndale and Geneva out of England. It was then that they copied much of Tyndale's work and did not even mention Tyndale's name in the KJV. This is stealing. But I apologize for my mistake. Lou
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ONLY JESUS KNOWS JAMES
| Posted On: 01/25/08 04:54:42 PM |
Age 64, OH |
I was not there or were you. One can read differing opinions on this. James mother was Mary queen of Scots who was so catholic they called her "bloody Mary". James was definitely sympathetic towards catholics and some say he was catholic. Who knows what deals were made for James to be King. Many also say that he was homosexual because of the male companionship at his bedchamber. Also it is written that he was leaning on his male companions and kissing them constantly. But things can be stated to twist the truth. But I did not bring this up because I am not convinced one way or the other. But this is sure, James and the church leaders when he was King were against the translation of the Bible into English. They did persecute many who tried to translate the Bible. They copied the work of Tyndale and DID NOT even mention his name in their work. If that is not stealing, to sign your name to the work of another, then what is. I stand by my comments. I would rather trust the work of Tyndale and the Geneva translators. The KJV is a fine translation but to say it is the Only one is silly at best. There are many really fine English Translations of the Bible and i am thankful for them all. Lou
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King james was NOT a Catholic
| Posted On: 01/25/08 08:08:02 AM |
Age 50, IL |
"KING JAMES WAS A CATHOLIC WHO TRIED TO KILL TYNDALE"
King James was in fact, a Protestant whom the Catholics attempted to assasinate many times. James Knox preached at his coronation.
ALL manuscripts are COPIES, and they were not concerned with giving credit to anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ, and spreading the gospel. Your false accusations of thieves and murderers are slander against men of God.
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THE BIGGEST MIRACLE
| Posted On: 01/24/08 04:58:45 PM |
Age 64, OH |
I gave a Christian answer because I thought you were Christian. But your objection is just not valid. Much of the trash on the internet is easily seen by a little reasoning. Anyone who has a interest in the outcome of their study is suspect at best. Anyone would gets rewarded for their work on this earth is also suspect. On the internet you also have people making many comments who have not studied or been eye witnesses. The writers of the New Testament were killed for following Jesus Christ. They were eye witnesses. They reported many embarrassing things about themselves. They reported many things that Jesus said that were the reason he was killed by the leaders of the church in Jerusalem. The copies that we now have in our possession are close to the time of the originals. They have been shown to be very accurate from archeology. There are many other works that show them to be accurate. Almost all of the NT can be gotten by the quotes of early church leaders. A atheist by the name of Ivan Panin, who was a award winning mathematician, for finding mathematical patterns in all of nature, set out to disprove the Bible. He said, all of nature has patterns and if there is a Creator and the Bible was written by Him then it would be full of the same patterns. he was stunned to find the very first sentence in the Bible was full of math patterns. Panin figured the odds of this happening at random were astronomical. He then went on to find 43000 pages of patterns in every verse of the Bible. Panin was able to show which Greek copies were the accurate ones. for if you change one letter the patterns are ruined. You see the Greek and Hebrew language use the same characters for letters and numbers and Panin had simply taken all the characters as numbers. I have copies of almost all of Panins work and have found it more than amazing. Panin became a Christian. But none of this compares to the reason that I believe the NT. 33 years ago I did not know if there was a God and if so what was His name and what was His Book. I prayed and asked Him to reveal Himself and His Book to me. He has personally proven Himself and the Bible as His Book to me by many, many miracles. The biggest one being the change in my selfish, black, evil heart. Lou
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GENEVA BIBLE BETTER THAN KJV
| Posted On: 01/24/08 04:27:36 PM |
Age 64, OH |
I never stated it was King James who killed Tyndale. But it was the King and the church of England (CoE)that stood against the Scriptures being translated into the common tongue and was a party to his death. And King James was a Catholic who put many protestants to death and the church leaders who were in power during his reign also guilty. This would make them murders. The fact that they stood against the translation of the scriptures disqualifies them in my book. The fact that hey copied much of Tyndale's work and then did not even mention his name in their work makes them guilty of stealing. So calling them murders and thieves is accurate. The men who would not lie to save their own lives, when James persecuted the men who would not follow the pope, fled to Geneva and translated the Bible there. This is the same Bible that the Pilgrims brought over on the Mayflower. I would trust men would would not lie and had to leave their home over the murders and thieves that did the KJV. I have a KJV and the language is beautiful(it should be, they copied Tyndale). But I find other versions more accurate. I would never try to persuade anyone from not reading the KJV for God can lead a person to life with it. As far as the Middle English characters and spelling, I can and do read it. I learned to read it when I read all the work of Isaac Newton on the Bible that I could get. But the argument presented is silly because modern day spelling and characters of the Geneva and the Tyndale are available. Anyone can order the Bible of our forefathers from this web site-www.ReformationBookstore.com -- Lou
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Yep
| Posted On: 01/23/08 09:13:14 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Lou:
I read this somewhere recently so I know this to be correct. Your grasp of history is outstandiing. John
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Scholarolotry
| Posted On: 01/23/08 08:41:25 AM |
Age 50, IL |
King James I was not even born yet when William Tyndale was killed, that would be Henry VIII who was at the throne. Folks will move earth and heaven to associate King James name with the TRANSLATION, when in fact he had nothing to do with the translation, only the authorisation. Puritan John Reynolds made the request for the translation, he was also on the translating committee. The translation was from Beza's 1598 edition, which is a continuation of Tyndales work, which was a continuation of Erasmus. I don't know too many folks who read a 1611 edition of the KJB. The one in common use is a 1769 edition. If anyone can get more out of a Tyndale Bible, you must be used to reading books from that common era. Here is a quote verbatim from Tyndale's: "Se, they wil not beleue me nor herke vnto my voyce" Ex 4:1. Unfortunately, moderrn scholarship has taken the road of rationalism, and folks will believe what they want. You can either follow "cunningly devised fables" or learn to discern. God said "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away" Mat 24:35. "The WORDS of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt PRESERVE them from this generation FOR EVER. " I don't think you even have to be Holy Spirit teachable to understand that. I believe we do have ALL of God's words PRESERVED in an accurate and faithful translation.
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Jeffrey
| Posted On: 01/23/08 03:31:01 AM |
Age 52, THAILAND |
"If you believe the Holy Scriptures are the work of mere men I would not believe them. But they are from God Almighty and the One who created the vast universe is certainly able to write and protect a little Book."
But that wasn't Mr. McDowell's argument. He is trying to establish that you do NOT need to begin with the assumption that the Bible is God's revelation in order to find it convincing as history.
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WE ALL ARE UNCLEAN
| Posted On: 01/22/08 02:26:16 PM |
Age 64, OH |
Swine are unclean; but we are all unclean in our flesh are we not. Aren't you unclean too. Lou
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TRUST IN THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK
| Posted On: 01/22/08 02:22:50 PM |
Age 64, OH |
If you believe the Holy Scriptures are the work of mere men I would not believe them. But they are from God Almighty and the One who created the vast universe is certainly able to write and protect a little Book. God was able and did write the Bible and he has kept it for those who seek Him. How do you tell what is the mere tales of fallible men and what is of God. You simply ask Him. He is able and willing to show those who are willing to sell everything they have and buy the whole field and then dig up the whole field to find the Pearl of great Price. Men who depend on their own wisdom, or there faith, or their salvation, or any man, or even the Book itself will be lost like the pharisees were. But the Book is complete and perfect in every letter and not one is missing. Lou
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KING JAMES WAS A CATHOLIC WHO TRIED TO KILL TYNDALE
| Posted On: 01/22/08 02:12:09 PM |
Age 64, OH |
Are we searching for truth or idolatry. Do we follow God or men. William Tyndale was the first man to translate the Holy Scriptures into English. It was the head of the church of England and the King of England who opposed Tyndale and threatened to kill him. he went to Europe to complete his work and did complete the NT in 1534. It was the King and head of the church who told the Pope about Tyndale and when they captured him they did not lift one finger or voice to save him. When Tyndale sent his NT into England the head of the church of England bought up the copies and had them burnt. They resisted the Holy Scriptures being put into the common tongue so that they could have power over the people. When Tyndale's translation and then the Geneva Bible could not be stopped from coming into England then King James and the leaders of the church of England were forced to make their own translation. They COPIED much of William Tyndale word for word but did NOT EVEN MENTION HIS NAME in the entire work. That is stealing and many are expelled from our Universities even today for this crime. So you say that the work of this corrupt Catholic King and corrupt leaders of the church came up with the ONLY translation of the Holy Scriptures in English. HAVE YOU NEVER READ: A GOOD TREE DOES NOT BEAR BAD FRUIT AND A BAD TREE DOES NOT BEAR GOOD FRUIT - JESUS. I certainly have got much more light from my 1534 Tyndale and my 1599 Geneva Bible than I ever have from my 1611 KJV. I do not trust the work of murders and thieves but you have the freedom to do just that. But as far as the Holy Scriptures go the original scriptures in the Hebrew and the Greek are the only ones that are perfect and complete. We do have many many copies of the NT that do agree and it has been proven that they are reliable and some are even perfect and complete. Lou
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faith in what?
| Posted On: 01/22/08 01:07:10 PM |
Age 47, MO |
Sean:
Great article. Your arguement is worthy to demonstrate why our faith is not a blind Christian wishful thinking but evidential. The fact that Jesus is a real person, the tomb is empty, and the insurmountable evidence of testimony and historical support; is enough to convince all but the unwilling of the claims of Christ. Indeed true faith is evidential conviction of the facts, the truth, the giver of truth. However, many Christians have faith in their faith and are largely ignorant of Christ. John
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Manuscript Authority(???)
| Posted On: 01/22/08 11:28:22 AM |
Age 50, IL |
"there is no textual variation that threatens a central Christian doctrine."
Unfortunately, the Christian that supports this statement backed by modern textual criticism shoots himself in the foot. The two manuscripts that are the basis for the modern Critical Text(UBS-Nestle Aland)which is the underlying text for the modern versions is so abysmally corrupt, that to suggest we have an accurate text in the CT is a fallacy. Just ask Bart Ehrman. Even the man who found the manuscript Siniaticus, Tieschendorf, adcknowledged 14,800 corrections by three different scribes over several centuries. Sinaiaticus and Vaticanus disagree with each other over 3000 times in the gospels alone. The CT is just a splice job of these two corrupt texts.
Do we have a pure text? Absolutely. It's the Received Text underlying the King James Bible, which makes up over 99% of the manuscript evidence. The CT based on 1% of the evidence departs from this text 356 times in DOCTRINE. The inventors of the false Greek CT called the Received Text and the KJB "vile". Modern textual criticism is not an honest attempt at finding truth. There is only one Bible that is God's preserved words in English. The King James Bible.
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GOOD JOB
| Posted On: 01/21/08 10:10:13 PM |
Age 64, OH |
Thanks for the good article. Lou
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Pearl before swine
| Posted On: 01/21/08 06:47:20 AM |
Age 45, PA |
I know you don't like to think of unbelievers as swine but they are and you are casting the Lord's pearls to them. As for the New Testement, it is but cribnotes without the Holy Spirit. You can have Seminary degrees, titles, or an expert in reason,debate and logic but without the Holy Spirit you are COMPLETLY USLESS!!!
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"Corrections" don't always take
| Posted On: 01/20/08 08:30:08 PM |
Age 52, THAILAND |
<i>Since the NT documents are written within 30 years of the events they record, they are unlikely to be legend. Eyewitnesses would still be around to correct errors, exaggerations, or outright mistakes.</i>
Even in the Age of Google, people still tell fantastic tales about prominent people and insist they are giving the true story. How would a neutral observer in Jesus's time have been able to tell who was telling the truth and who was offering a legend?
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