RE: Read 2 Corinthians 11
| Posted On: 01/08/08 09:01:43 PM |
Age 19, CA |
So what exactly are you trying to say with these verses? After all, as the saying goes, text without context is a pretext.
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Mormon Theology
| Posted On: 01/08/08 05:58:37 PM |
Age 68, OK |
Yes, Romans 10:9 says that if one confess Jesus as Lord and that He has risen and is alive, they will be saved.
Lord in the New Testament Greek is "Kurios" and always means God.
Mormons do not believe that Jesus is Lord God.
Mormons believe that Jesus is a god, the son of God, that He is half God.
Mormons deny the Trinity of our One God, and are themselves polytheistic in their belief.
Many times a profession is not a confession from the heart.
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Read 2 Corinthians 11
| Posted On: 01/08/08 04:11:57 PM |
Age 40, CANADA |
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.... 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
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Luther's anti-Semitism
| Posted On: 01/08/08 01:57:03 PM |
Age 56, OK |
I don't see where you think Luther was anti-semitic. Do you really even know what anti-semitic means? People have been taught to think the meaning is hatred against jews, that is not what it means. Besides when you get right down to it, if Luther was anti-semitic so was John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. Matter of fact the Bible could be considered anti-semitic. The word anti-semitic is just a buzz word. To put it bluntly, it is a buzz word scam job.
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Apostate Christianity
| Posted On: 01/08/08 12:18:05 PM |
Age 64, OR |
An "apostate" separates themself from the authentic teachings of God through His Word. Those that are apostate to God's Word have chosen to follow man-made doctrine over the pure Word of God and His directives.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. The only way to the Father is through the Son." Anything less is following a different Jesus and Gospel of Christ.
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Truth behind Mike Huckabee
| Posted On: 01/08/08 12:12:36 PM |
Age 64, OR |
Mike Huckabee is one of those liberal theologians who believes in church replacement theology...e.g. the church replaced Israel in God's blessing (ignorant and Biblical apostasy). He's liberal on social policy issues as well and has NO foreign policy credentials other than having written for the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), so this should concern conservative Christians. Any political hopeful who has ties to the CRF or Bilderbergs is a "anti-soveignty" politician and supports globalism. Huchabee is also soft on illegal immigration (actually it should be called illegal invasion because that is what it is!). He supports amnesty for 12 to 30 million lawbreakers in this country illegally.
As for me and my family we will not vote Republican or Democrat and if it comes down to it we will do a "write in" candidate on the ballot - in protest of the anti-Americanism floating like scum on both sides of the two major policital parties.
And for sure do NOT vote for Hillary Clinto, (Satan dressed in drag), or Barack Obama (Muslim in apostate Christian clothing).
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Only feedback on this one is..............................
| Posted On: 01/07/08 06:56:27 PM |
Age 47, TX |
You need to study your Bible much much more. If you don't believe in the "Holy Trinity" or the "Virgin Birth" or that Jesus Christ is THE ONLY way to heaven then you are not a Christian because your denying the very things that God Himself uses to define us as Christians or Beleivers. And you are wrong!! King David certainly was a Trinitarian! He knew that there was a Saviour that was coming to save the world.
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The "end times" are definately upon us
| Posted On: 01/07/08 06:47:31 PM |
Age 47, TX |
A "Christian" will have a desire in his/her heart to be with othe believers or Christians and a desire to be in a church where God abides and is blessing. Even a novice Christian knows that God will not abide where false doctrine is taught. The Bible calls for us (Christians) to come out apart from the world which makes it pretty simple that a true believer / Christian cannot, should not and would not attach themselves to a church or religion that teaches false doctrine contrary to the Word of God. As far as a church being a little tainted or teaching a few things that are false is still contrary to what Christ demands of His Bride "The Church". Just curious if you were given a 1 gallon jug of tea to drink and the giver informed you that most of it was good tea but it had 1 teaspoon of urine added would you accept it to drink? I don't think so nor will Jesus Christ accept an "almost" pure bride.
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Who are his Deacons?
| Posted On: 01/07/08 05:09:42 PM |
Age 60, MI |
Shame on Joel Osteen, but even more so shame on his Deacons, or whatever board is running his home church. Can the whole organization not know its Scriptures? Why are they allowing Joel to run amuck???
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RE: Defining a "Christian"
| Posted On: 01/07/08 04:23:34 AM |
Age 19, CA |
I took my definition of Christian from the words of Paul in Romans. Now, I think that my definition is actually superior to your definition, since being a Christian is much more than having a "personal relationship with God." Yes, that's part of it, and I agree that Christianity isn't a religion, but you can't just simplify faith to a personal relationship. Christianity has a personal dimension, but there is a very important corporate dimension to our faith as well. Not only must you "believe in your heart" (the personal dimension), but you must "confess with your mouth" (the corporate dimension). To pigeon-hole the Christian faith to just personal or just corporate is a huge mistake, which is why the "personal relationship with God" idea just doesn't hold water. However, concerning the system of beliefs Mormons have, you say that "they hold fast to apostate teachings that Jesus is the BROTHER of Lucifer." What is it about this belief that makes those who believe it apostate? I agree that the belief is incorrect, but why is it damning? That's what you mean by "apostate teachings," right? So what is it about THIS belief that makes it a "go directly to Hell" belief? Isn't salvation about more than theological points? I mean, I've always been taught that we are saved by the grace of God, not by our theology.
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RE: Hey, how is Steve doing?
| Posted On: 01/07/08 04:06:09 AM |
Age 19, CA |
I liked your illustration, and I think I've heard a similar one before. However, I don't think it applies here. A more applicable test would be the test Jesus gives us in Matthew 7, and I think I've tackled your concern using Matthew 7 in my reply to the feedback a couple below yours with the subject "allah." Please tell me if there's something you pointed out you feel I need to address more explicitly/better/whatever.
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RE:IS THE MORMON JESUS REALLY JESUS
| Posted On: 01/07/08 04:02:04 AM |
Age 19, CA |
You say, _"You have to trust in Jesus and no one and nothing else to be saved. You can not trust in Jesus AND the church to save you. You can not trust in Jesus AND the pastor to save you. You can not trust in Jesus AND even the Bible to save you. You can not trust in your salvation but you must trust in your SAVIOR who is God Almighty for there is no Savior except for Him."_ This is absolutely true. I have no argument with this at all, since this is the Christian message--that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and the only way to the Father is through Him. This is all well and good. My problem comes when people insist that since what Mormons believe about Jesus is extrabiblical and (in some cases) antibiblical, they must not believe in the same Jesus as we do. I don't think the logic follows. Does the Bible teach that a belief in Jesus is only saving so long as the person in question is a Trinitarian? Or only so long as the person believes in the virgin birth? Yes, these issues are important, and I'm not trying to trivialize either of these doctrines (or lead us on a tangent, for that matter), but I guarantee you that King David was not a Trinitarian, yet he was a man after God's own heart. To withhold salvation from someone based only on the fact that their theology isn't perfect seems petty to me, and that's really the point I'm trying to drive home. After all, we aren't judged by our theology, we're judged by whether we have Jesus in our lives or not. Even if one has a downright wrong understanding of who Jesus is doesn't mean one then cannot have Jesus in one's life. I mean, most athletes have a terrible understanding of physics, but they rely COMPLETELY on physics in order to do what they do.
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curious?
| Posted On: 01/06/08 10:20:02 PM |
Age 73, OH |
Hi Steve,
I sent in a feedback I am wondering why it has not been posted. I did not attack Joel personally, and I'm curious why it was rejected. I am not a novice. I am a licensed minister and Bible teacher. Thx for your answer.
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History of The Church
| Posted On: 01/06/08 08:16:04 PM |
Age 64, OR |
If you want a great resource on the many various Christian "sects", then get a book called "The Pilgrim Church" by E.H. Broadbent (carried by The Berean Call). This book was out of publication until The Berean Call had it republished. It is an excellent history of the Christian Church and takes you through the history of the Church from the origin of the Church founded by the Apostles in the Book of Acts.
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Defending the Faith
| Posted On: 01/06/08 08:12:21 PM |
Age 64, OR |
You are so right! The evolving liberal theology which has crept into the Christian chruch is an invasion by secular humanistist (wolves in sheeps clothing) entering amongst the sheep to devour and destroy...at the least confuse and separate from true believers.
As sincere Christians (followers of Christ) Christians are to defend the faith, not join with apostatsy and run amuck ignorant of the Scriptures they claim to believe in. Those apostate believers are more religious ecumenicalists than true Christians. We are to impart Acts 17:11 and be as a Berean and search the Scriptures ourselves to prove them to be true. What CINO believers (Christian In Name Only) do today to have become "man-followers" and not followers of Christ Jesus (God). Apostate teachers like: Joel Osteens, Rick Warren, Brian McLaren, etc. do NOT apply Scriptures into their teachings but have become "church growth" gurus with their personal get rich quick schemes. There's no doubt in my mind that after many, many years of observing the shifting sands of Christianity, that 90-95% of professed Christians are NOT authentic Christians but simply "country club" Christians - religious socialists. They will be left behind when Jesus comes to catch up the true Church.
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Defining a "Christian"
| Posted On: 01/06/08 08:02:06 PM |
Age 64, OR |
First, just saying you are a Christian does not make you one! You can't pick and choose scripture about Jesus and conclusively take for granted a person who says they are "Christian" are indeed Christian. One must first define what BEING a Christian means. Christianity is NOT a religion but a personal relationship with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ - the ONLY begotten Son of the Living God.
After reading your statement I'm not sure you are a Christian (follower of Christ Jesus). If a Mormon is a Christian (just because he says so) then if I sit in my garage then I must be an automobile, right?
Mormons are NOT Christian because they hold fast to apostate teachings that Jesus is the BROTHER of Lucifer. Lucifer is a created angel. Jesus is NOT an angel but fully man and fully God...hence, "I and the Father are one. I in Him and He in Me! Jesus has always been present with God the Father, while Lucifer was a created spiritual angel. Mormons are no more Christian than Muslims.
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Did I mislead you?
| Posted On: 01/06/08 01:39:42 PM |
Age 47, MO |
Friend: I don't know you from your log in sign of age 17 Tx but I think I have to take some of the blame for your misunderstandings. I say this because you may have misunderstood some of my previous posts. I have been ranting lately about people idolizing scripture and about people following a theological construct to interpret scripture; ie: Calvinism, Arminianism, JW, Catholicism, Mormonism, etc. My main points were that the TRUTH is found only in Christ instead of a system of interpretation. Therefore, we must allow the HS to guide us. Otherwise we do interpret scripture errantly, and yes, Osteen is wrong, Mormonism is wrong, etc. There are absolute right and absolute wrong but our life is a life of faith. When we are found IN Christ, we are saved. So yes, having the correct theology will not save us, having a profession of faith will not save us, and truly only Christ knows who is saved. Hope this helps. John
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Morman response to "Age 19, CA"
| Posted On: 01/06/08 02:12:43 AM |
Age 60, AZ |
Amen.
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mormons saved????How????
| Posted On: 01/05/08 06:38:29 PM |
Age 56, OR |
I was a mormon. We never refered to ourselfs as Christians, but Mormons. Now that has been changed for the sake of the world.
First Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer. There is no question on this
We are and were all in pre-existence in heaven prior to being born. That is why so many children. They are up in heaven waithing to be born.
The war in heaven between the angels of God and Lucifer.
The black people bear the mark of Cain. They sat on the fence during the war in heaven to see which side would win.
Jesus did his part, we must do the rest. We must attend all meetings, (that is church to you) pay full tithe which the bishop will know if you are not paying a full tithe. If you do these things, THEN and only THEN can you get a temple permit to bo baptism for the DEAD.
The dead have a second chance, that is why there is baptizm for the dead.
Those are just a few of the tings I was brought up with. The Cross is not accepted, nor the Bloog of Jesus talked about.
Knowing this to be true, How can they be saved on this Jesus who was created?
Do you know I lost my mother to the mormon belief, she died in her sins believeing this a Doctine of Devils.
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Because...
| Posted On: 01/05/08 02:15:07 PM |
Age 53, VA |
Because The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? (Jer. 17:9)
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