joking?
| Posted On: 12/08/07 10:40:41 AM |
Age 33, TN |
I'm kinda slow, but I think this was a joke on those opposing Mrs. Schluter?
|
just 2 examples
| Posted On: 12/08/07 09:25:06 AM |
Age 43, MN |
pg285-quoting Rick "When the disciples wanted to talk about prophecy, Jesus quickly switched the conversation to evangelism. He wanted them to concentrate on their mission in the world. He said in essence, "The details of my return are none of your business. What IS your business is the mission I've given you. Focus on that!"
pg286-quoting Rick "If you want jesus to come back sooner, focus on fulfilling your mission, not figuring out prophecy.It is easy to get distracted and sidetracked from your mission because Satan would rather have you do anything besides sharing your faith." The Bible says the opposite: Jesus answered the disciples with 94 verses in Matthew 24-25, 34 verses in Mark 13, and 30 verses in Luke 21. All are direct answers detailing what will happen in respose to the disciples question. Not to mention God giving us Rev. Dan. 2Thess.2, 1Thess.4&5, 2Tim.3&4 and many other passages with more details of His 2nd coming. In fact, He gives a special crown of righteousness for those who love his appearing 11Tim.4:8. God also has 3-4 times the # of verses warning us of His 2nd coming compared to the # of verses prophesing His 1st coming. Believe me, I was a small group leader for Purpose Driven until I read the Bible and now have hundreds of examples like this from Rick's 1st and 2nd 40-day books. The saddest though was the prayer of salvation on the video which said nothing of the cross, sin,repenting, forgiveness yet afterwards he congratulates them on now being a child of God. In his 40 days of Community book, I wrote the KJV verses next to his Message verses on pgs.56,72,80,88,26 for a start. The changes have a pattern if you do the whole book. Several have the opposite meaning of the truth. The salvation prayer in quotes on pg26 compare to Acts 20:21, 3:19, Matt.4:17 etc.
|
why homosexuality
| Posted On: 12/08/07 08:36:45 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Friend: You asked in regard to homosexuality, "why do we constantly finger one specific sin group and villinize them." I would like to answer if I may. This is mostly because homosexuality is no longer a hidden sin but a force to be reckoned with. It has an agenda to breakdown all traditional values of family, child rearing, decency, and self control. No other sin is vying for recognition as normalicy and yet demand special protection from scrutiny. If homosexuality is recognized as normal then society will cease to exist- we become barbaric. I hope this helps your understanding, if you were truly seeking any. John
|
objection
| Posted On: 12/08/07 08:23:00 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Friend: If I object to your post am I to seek you out in person? Just asking, because to me if your words are in public, such as a forum, a blog, or a speach, etc., then it is no longer a private matter. This is especially true for those in positions of leadership. We are not calling out Rick Warren, God will judge. We are taking his words to task in light of truth. John
|
Rick Warren
| Posted On: 12/08/07 08:02:07 AM |
Age 28, TX |
I agree whole-heartly with Ingrid. I have some Christain brothers who got mad at me for lovingly point out some of the same issues I have with Rick Warren. He is very universalistic in his thinking. Much like Robert Schuller, his mentor. While I can't judge if Mr Warren is saved or not, he is well known by His fruits. Having Baruch Obama and Hillary Clinton speak at your church about AIDS, well, that tells you what his motives are. Sign that the Last Days are upon us. Come Lord Jesus!
|
Who's wrong? Mayhaps you?
| Posted On: 12/08/07 01:32:07 AM |
Age 52, CA |
I wonder if you shouldn't re-think your idea that man and his free will "created" evil. Evil found its genesis in Genesis (and elsewhere) in the guise of an anointed cherub named Lucifer. Also, Job was not given over to Satan; however, God did allow Satan to try Job to prove to Satan that Job's faith was unwavering. Splitting hairs? You betcha! Doctrinal error comes frequently upon the heels of sloppiness. Lord knows how often I bungle it. Wouldn't be too surprised if someone nit-picks this. Blessings.
|
Totally True
| Posted On: 12/08/07 12:41:42 AM |
Age 38, TN |
This is Brannon Howse. I am the first person Ingrid is talking about. She did not use my name but I would not have cared if she did. I received an e-mail from Rick in Feb of 2006 that I forwarded to Ingrid and a few others. Rick sent me the e-mail after I wrote about him and 84 other Christian leaders that signed onto what I thought was a radical global warming plan funded by two radical foundations. The second person is Janet Folger and I only use her name because she publicly spoke about this on my radio program. I have seen the e-mail that Rick wrote her and it certainly looks like it is the real deal and really from him. Ingrid chose not to use our names but now that Janet and I have both talked about this on my national radio program, I thought I would post this here in order to defend Ingrid. She is not sloppy in her research. Ingrid received these two e-mails and has read them with her own eyes and checked the e-mail address from which they were sent. Ingrid was simply looking to protect us and not break confidence. Many reporters use unnamed sources. Some of the highest award-winning investigative journalist have used unnamed sources. Bob Woodward would be one of them. I hope this helps. Thanks. Brannon Howse
|
Are You Serious?
| Posted On: 12/07/07 11:01:52 PM |
Age 31, VA |
Ms. Schlueter & CWN... Are you seriously suggesting, by posting "Rick Warren Dissent" on your web site, that this article is legitimate journalism? Please help me--how can I be expected to read this column with any kind of intellectual appreciation when its premise is a bunch of "she said / he said" ambiguities? I feel like I'm at my 6th grade cafeteria table, listening to the latest gossip from the rumor mill, with all kinds of supposed third and fourth hand information.
If you want your readers to buy into charges of heresy, bribery, idolatry, immorality, blasphemy, and whatever else you're going to level at someone, you're going to have to at substantiate your claims with something more than anonymous, unverifable, fourth-generation, supposed whispers in cyberspace. It's hardly believable. And because of it, I can't take anything you say seriously. How do I know you didn't just overhear this stuff somewhere else?
Seriously now, if you're going to go to bat with a highly successful, international author and speaker, it would be common sense to at least write with the same integrity that he does. For the moment, you've left me highly skeptical of your words, and a bit embarrased for the Christian Worldview Network, who chose to publish your piece. I suggest you invest less into spurious pontificating, and a bit more into your credibility.
|
read the scripture
| Posted On: 12/07/07 08:30:54 PM |
Age 44, TX |
http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=false+prophets&searchtype=all&version1=31&spanbegin=1&spanend=73
|
fortress christianty
| Posted On: 12/07/07 08:10:54 PM |
Age 51, CA |
You are so wrong, God is not the creator of evil. Man with his free will given by God is the creator of all that is evil. God is sinless so therefore can't create evil. He can give us over to evil (satan) as in Job. I will stand for truth and not give into false teachers take your itchy ears away.
|
Watch the Width of the Brush
| Posted On: 12/07/07 06:28:47 PM |
Age 51, CA |
Let me preface my remarks with two foundational statements: 1) I appreciate all the good that Rick Warren has done to stimulate growth in many declining churches; 2) I am increasingly disappointed with the "social shift" in Rick Warren's ministry. Why should #2 be any concern of mine? Because I've used Rick's materials in my church and I can easily be "guilty by association" in regard to the left turn Saddleback's ministry seems to have taken. So many "mega-pastors" implode when they distance themselves from honest criticism. This year has seen a number of such crashes--for example Haggard and Hagee to name just two. However, it is too broad a brush stroke (in my opinion) to say that if there has been a shift in Rick Warren's theology and methodology -- and I think there is reason to suspect there has been -- that this necessarily means everything he has ever done has been biblically unsound. I think that brush stroke is far too broad. I think that high profile people like Warren deserve all the scrutiny they get, but I don't think we should "through the proverbial baby out with the bath water."
|
Disassociation
| Posted On: 12/07/07 05:46:44 PM |
Age 88435, NM |
You are correct that the Bible does not teach that Christians should not associate with homosexuals...unless they consider themselves Christians. In 1 Corinthians 5, Paul addresses sexual sin in the church and verses 9-11 makes it very clear: "When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people indulge in sexual sin. But I wasn't talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to do that. What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don't even eat with such people."
But we all need to read that whole chapter to make sure we understand why we are doing this. It is to bring them to a place where they miss the fellowship they once had, repent of there sin, and can then be restored to fellowship.
|
Re: Rick Warren and Other Liberals Seek To Find Common Ground with Muslims. Do They Really Believe We Worship The Same God?
| Posted On: 12/07/07 05:31:50 PM |
Age 66, WA |
It Is depressing to see all the people who write, that we should be more tender and softer as we are talking about gray areas of the bible.
I have read the Bible several times and will continue reading it for the rest of my life. Nowhere do I find gray areas about doctrine.
God Is the same today,yesterday and tomorrow.
He Hates Sin, He Is A Forgiving God He Is The Only God.He Wants you to Love Him With All Your Heart And Soul.
Romans 12:1,2
God said Do Not Conform To This World.
Live A holy Life dedicated to God.
|
It's not about the numbers
| Posted On: 12/07/07 04:18:53 PM |
Age 47, KS |
Christianity is not about numbers. It's about a relationship with Jesus Christ. It's about obedience to God's word. Yes, it is about sharing the good news that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of every sinner. But it's not about how big a church can grow. Churches that give truth, unvarnished truth, grow without all the bells and whistles....I attend one.
|
Strange Article
| Posted On: 12/07/07 03:36:15 PM |
Age 41, MO |
I found the entire article above strange. If you have specific objections to Mr. Warrens published materials or his public conduct then provide specific objections. The vague references to emails sent to your friends by Mr. Warren seem out of place. Is it really any of your concern what Mr. Warren writes to your friends. If the entire correspondence can't be shown than i think it is improper for you to refer to private correspondence. This is by no means an endorsement of Mr. Warren or his AIDS conference. In fact I would say to all of the Feedback submitters if you have issues with Rick Warren write to him personally or go out to his church and confront his church directly. Why post your objections here?
|
The Purpose Driven Life--Rick Warren
| Posted On: 12/07/07 02:17:11 PM |
Age 61, MO |
The answers to your question can be found here: http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/1-purpose.htm
The basic objection to the book, and the theology in general is: Should we be purpose driven or Spirit led? All a Christian should be doing is surrendering and trusting Jesus, because He has already done all the work. A discussion of sin and repentance is markedly lacking in the book. George Cancilla
|
Twisted Scripture
| Posted On: 12/07/07 01:48:55 PM |
Age 42, AL |
The only thing that Mr. Warren is fighting for is his own selfish personal agenda. His trip to Syria, and lying about it is just the tip of the iceburg with this man. He spews out threats all the time to ministries that disagree with his liberal agenda. Thousands have been forced out of churches they grew up in when they would not bow to this Laodician theology. It's a sad day when defending the true faith from false teaching is considered a bad thing. You can thank Mr. Warren and his liberal followers for that also.
|
Rick Warren
| Posted On: 12/07/07 01:48:23 PM |
Age 61, MO |
It sounds like you are calling Ingrid a "closet" Christian, simply because she chooses to homeschool, etc. I consider her to be very wise in so doing, and a "warrior" as well. Perhaps you are not familiar with the fact that Ingrid has had a long running Christian blog site called "Slice of Laodecia" and has hosted talk radio. She has written many articles for publication. If this isn't sticking one's neck out for Christ, then I don't know what is. Ingrid is not afraid to call a spade a spade, which although it may seem harsh, is far better than some soft sell diplomacy that doesn't offend. Keep up the good work, Ingrid. George Cancilla
|
Warrior or Fortress?
| Posted On: 12/07/07 01:11:15 PM |
Age 46, MN |
I think the gentlemens comment that if you homeschool your kids etc that you are NOT a warrior ir disengenious at best. I don't send my kids to school to evangelize per se, I send them to learn!! I (me myself) can walk out toward the edge but my kids are no match in 3rd grade to discuss evolution with a 4 year college dregreed teacher.
I also do not believe that you cannot fallout of Gods grip. I've known many backslidden Christians (some now homosexuals)who no longer have any interest in walking with God. Are you telling me that they are going to die and go to heaven with unrepentant sin and a total of rejection of what they knoew? And no, I don't buy the Baptist line that "they never were saved in the 1st place". If that is the one size fits all answer then why doesn the Scripture talkk about backslidding?
|
same old song and dance
| Posted On: 12/07/07 12:59:15 PM |
Age 30, MN |
Well same old song and dance on this website. I am so sick of homosexuality being called out constantly in the american church and being made the deal breaker sin. Personally I feel that homosexuality is not gods ideal, but why do we constantly finger one specific sin group and villinize them. You ask pastors why they preach on this so much and they'll say we are just being biblical. Hmmm the number one talked about sin in the bible is actually gluttony so if they are just being biblical how come you never see them preach about gluttony???? I'll tell you why because its easier to preach about a sin that know one in your congregation is guilty of because lets face it the american church has alienated most homosexuals so you will never find one in the church, and that breaks my heart that the church has alienated anyone. We live in the most disgustonly gluttoness country in the world. American obesity and heart disese is on the rise, child diabtes is staggering yet gluttony the number one sin talked about in the bible is never mentioned. We would rather isolate and villinize one particular sin group to make us feel more rightous. If you are going to talk about one certain sin you need to talk about them all. I hope homosexuals were welcomed in rick warrens church because like all sinners, and I got news for you folks thats all of us, everyone that means everyone is welcome in gods house. The biggest problem in the american church is not rick warren its the vast number of hipocritical people we have on christain telivision, radio, and the internet. Lets try and fix this people. God Bless.
|
|
|
|
|
