Robert Schuller/False Teaching
| Posted On: 01/12/08 04:22:40 AM |
Age 40, NEW ZEALAND |
We are not to condemn our brother. We are to love him covering a multitude of sins. We are not to speak of the evil that others do. We are to think on things lovaly and pure... We are to think less with our worldly cluttered brains disecting truths rather be casting down strongholds and imaginings. We are to keep ourselves mindful that the Lord Jesus himself has already covered our sins the sins of the Churches in revelations. We are to love one another because that is what our Lord will faithfully witness to others when the spirit of the Lord is upon you and me. How merciful is our God. We must pray and offer up our own sinful nature to the Heavenly Father through the burnt offering. Yes write it all down and then offer it up to Lord as a burnt offering it shall be a sweet fragrance to him, because what it is you have to say shall not hurt or devour another brother or sister or interfere in the witness of the Lord... you will be loving like you've never loved before...through and in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ... Thank you our Heavenly Father for all that you give to us...here on earth as it is in heaven...Amen.
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Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 12/02/07 08:40:29 AM |
Age 48, CA |
Good article! Here are some supporting scriptures for your very accurate observations. "Are there few to be saved, Lord?" "Strive with earnestness to enter in at the strait gate; for many, I say to you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the Master of the house has risen up and has shut the door, and you begin to stand without, crying, Lord, Lord, open to us! he shall answer to you, saying, Verily I say to you, I know you not." "But Lord, (paraphrased), didn't we do this and that in your name, and many wonderful works of power? Didn't you teach in our streets? We saw and heard Christians witnessing. We listened to sermons and choirs on the radio. We felt so good about ourselves; we tithed regularly..." But the Lord will only answer, I tell you, I know you not from what place you are. Depart from me, all you workers of the lawlessness."
In Matthew 24, the Lord spoke of the "many" as being finally traitors, and deceived, and scandalized on account of the Holy Glad Tidings; but, "HE THAT ENDURES TO THE END, THE SAME SHALL BE SAVED." There surely is the famine of hearing the Word Of God today, which the prophet Amos foretold; ch 8:11-13; which is exactly the way they have preferred it to be, with their shamefully watered down NIV's, and their religious rock-star devil worshippers. Yes, devil worshippers! I, I, I...self, self, self! Satan's seat, right in the middle of them all, congradulating them on their "heaven on earth" success! There is a very pertinent verse in the book of Ecclesiastes, 9:12, which reads, "FOR MAN ALSO KNOWS NOT HIS TIME: AS THE FISHES THAT ARE TAKEN IN AN EVIL NET, AND AS THE BIRDS THAT ARE CAUGHT IN THE SNARE; SO ARE THE SONS OF MEN SNARED IN AN EVIL TIME, WHEN IT FALLS SUDDENLY UPON THEM." Also, so many, many places throughout the Prophets, the Psalms, THE NEW TESTAMENT!!! where the Lord plainly says it shall be so, "HE SHALL CHOOSE THERE DELUSIONS"... indeed, "HE SHALL SEND THEM A STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE... BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS." 2 Thess. 2:1-12. "With there mouths they show much love, but there hearts go after there covetousness." Ezekiel 33:31.
But one thing I do say to you, Brother, They have chosen what they want. The Glad Tidings was preached to them as well as to the rest of us, but the word does not profit them, because they do not believe! I think we have enough on keeping ourselves and our own hearts through our adversities and provings day to day. It doesn't do a lot to cheer me up in the Lord, or give me an encouraging word for others, if I'm dwelling too long on the fakes. But this nothing to speak against what you wrote; and if we know somewhat of these things, the Lord knows all of it.
We are commanded by the Lord to reject the heretic after the first and second warning. Let them go! Their folly and shame will be manifest before all men. "...wicked men and imposters shall advance to worse, deceiving and being deceived;" What utter nonsense! What foolishness! Why have a lamp, and pretend to be waiting for the Bridegroom, but not fill the lamps with the oil? Do they think it's a game with their souls and eternity? Do they honestly think that the Almighty God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth, who came in flesh to lay down His life as a ransom for lost mankind...Whose PRECIOUS BLOOD was the price of our eternal salvation, is going to wink at their filthy hypocricy, or give them a pass, because they have a well managed portfolio and send their children to money grabbing so-called
"Christian" schools?
O Lord, Help us!
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Re: Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/13/07 12:03:34 PM |
Age 47, IA |
While it is true God's love for His own is tender, somtimes pictured as a bridegroom being tender towards his bride. Lets us not forget that that love came at a great price. I suggest you view again "The Passion of the Christ." For all its flaws, and there are many. The movie does begin to capture the brutality that Jesus suffered at the hands of men for OUR sin. I imagine that is was far worse than the movie. Examine yourself with the Commandments while He is being scrouged. Have I put God above all else at all times? NO! Have I lusted for others? YES! That is why He is made to suffer for me, in my place. Yet far worse than the physical torture, the spiritual torture was infintely worse. to be in a perfect love relationship the the Father and the Spirit from eternity past, and then to have it broken by YOUR and MY sin will take an eternity to understand. This doesn't come from some dark hole religion created by man this is the Word of God telling us the price of love. Gods love is indeed tender but, it comes through the gate of suffing. Let us never forget the gate of suffering. The contrast is what makes that love so magnificent.
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JESUS WAS NOT A PACIFIST
| Posted On: 11/12/07 08:50:22 AM |
Age 64, OH |
Dear brother you are older than me for I am only 64. I also attend a Quaker church and we have a older brother there that speaks with much wisdom. I will try to consider what you have said. But consider the words of The Lord Of Mercy Himself; one of His Names He calls Himself is "A Warrior who comes to save". The Revelation 6: 1I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. (is not this Jesus who rode out as a conqueror)
3When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword. (was not this horse sent from heaven by The Lamb Himself and was not this horse War)
5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart[a] of wheat for a day's wages,[b] and three quarts of barley for a day's wages,[c] and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed. - when I read this it is NOT death to me but life. Lou
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NOT ALL QUAKERS ARE PACIFISTS
| Posted On: 11/12/07 08:32:22 AM |
Age 64, OH |
Amen brother John, I too will consider the words of this older brother. I too attend a Quaker church but I am not a pacifist. When I study the passover it is a really violent thing that is done to the lamb. The lamb had to be roasted over the fire and any meat not eaten had to be burnt up in the fire. Jesus was the Lamb and we are all told to follow Him. Matt 11:12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until the present time, the kingdom of heaven has endured violent assault, and violent men seize it by force". - These are also words to ponder and The Lord of all creation spoke these. Lou
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Re: Re: Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/10/07 08:03:07 AM |
Age 59, SC |
I ask myself if I were a prominent pastor asked to speak at this conference, would I do so, and the answer is, "Yes." Granted I agree with all the "anti" comments about The heresy in the Crystal Cathedral and emergent churches, but isn't speaking the Truth in the midst of heresy and unbelief exactly what we are called upon to do? Where else in America will one find such a large gathering of sinners, lost and confused souls, agnostics, and nominal Christians to whom you could share the pure gospel of Christ. We aren't called to preach to the choir, but to take the gospel outside our churches to the confused and needy world. Will any of these Christians take the opportunity to do so, or just kowtow to the world? I don't know, but I hope so.
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Re: Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/08/07 08:04:37 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Friend: I too look up at the sky and marvel at God and the power of sin. Also I like what you wrote, and will give your words thought. However, I have a thought for you as well. When Jesus met Paul on the road to Demascus, Paul went blind from the glory of God. Later when Paul received his sight, (Acts 9:16), Jesus didn't welcome Paul with love as a father to a child but Paul was told that he would suffer for Christ. If Paul, the greatest polithic apostle must suffer for Christ, why do we think we are coddled? I don't know about you, but Jesus's word speak powerfully to me. John
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Re: Re: Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/07/07 02:39:32 PM |
Age 20, NC |
Why waste the time to go speak at a conference led by someone who has been spreading teachings that are erroneous at best and heretical at the absolute worst anyway, especially if the host has been spreading these false teaching for all these years?
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Re: Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/07/07 11:57:53 AM |
Age 47, MO |
I wonder if anyone has thought to ask those in question why they are attending the event. I am sure it wouldn't be hard for Brannon to contact Strobel and ask him.
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Re: Re: SCHULLER'S PALACE IS MADE OF GLASS
| Posted On: 11/07/07 10:28:18 AM |
Age 64, OH |
Amen brother, I do not listen to Schuller but once while hunting through the channels I heard with my own ears Schuller proclaim that his ministry had surpassed Pauls ministry. What kind of fool could even think of such a grievous comment. What was the size of all of the churches Paul planted. How many followers did The Lord Jesus have. How can any man be so arrogant to think they could surpass Paul let alone The Lord Himself. Jesus said the Ones who followed the narrow path to life would be FEW. Jesus also said the ones who followed the broad path to destruction would be MANY. Considering these words of the Creator of all that exists I would be shaking in my boots if I was any of these men with so many who follow them. Lou
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Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/07/07 09:57:33 AM |
Age 81, IN |
Religious views and understandings vary so much. But as a studied Quaker, I am uncomfortable with Puritanistic summaries of what Jesus Christ meant to say and the leanings of many to curse God's creation into the everlasting hell of eternal lack of self-worth. God supposedly loves us. In that love and forgiveness, we are saved and saved again to be children he loves. That loves gives us worth. You can quote all the scripture you want, but in the quiet times when sitting with the word, it is the intent of Jesus's words that rises above the curse. When we take the cross, we give up--but God's love gives back. I am not nor never will be a severe, brutal follower that barbaric Inquisition-style beliefs seemed to institutionalize as baseline understanding. God's love makes us worthy of self-respect and the path into the higher life God desires for us. We've had too much dark hole religion and it is time to forgive ourselves for addiction to condemnation. Are we all not but like Paul on the road to Damascus? We need to set the Morning Star aside and disempower interpretation that degrades and creates bondage out of fear, not love. I could never be this severe and the vigor to be severe as witnessed obsesses in the hell and damnation of God's own creation. Neither am I tolerant of corruption and indulgence, nor preacher kings who live lavish. We pray for the simple, gentle truths of Christ--the spirit of Jesus who delivers more love and forgiveness than wrath. God Bless.
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Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/06/07 07:46:31 PM |
Age 47, AR |
Bro. Howse, you have stated it all very succinctly. I have no need to preach another sermon to reiterate or reinforce your words. They are sufficient. My only displeasure is that so many would point to you as a "naysayer" or "anti-".... they would call you negative. But, both Jesus and Paul were pretty negative guys when it came to false teachers. Would that you and I be counted on their side.
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Re: Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/06/07 07:40:36 PM |
Age 47, AR |
You are correct, sir, we should wait to "see" what they have to say. However... call me as skeptical as you want, something tells me we'll be pretty disappointed. I hope my skepticism is proven wrong.
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Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/06/07 01:01:54 PM |
Age 52, NC |
Bravo! And all the saints said "Amen!"
Humanism has saturated todays Laodecian church in America.
The "Time of Jacobs Troubles" is about to commmence and the foolish church won't even see it coming.
No wonder Yeshua asked if He would find faith at His return.
Prepare spiritually brethren for the time of the testing of our faith is almost upon us.
In His Royal Majesty's Service,
Mary Kay
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Re: Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/06/07 12:35:08 PM |
Age 57, MN |
I read thru the responses from people.
sad to say, some still dont get it.
LETS not say anything about those joining with Schuller until we know what they will say. THAT Is a go along to get along attitude.
AS Brandon said, IF SCHULLER ahead of time would KNOW what BRANDON stands for he would NOT be asked to be in on this charade.
SO, you people who want to be the go alongs to get alongs.
THESE speakers HAVE not made themself very clear to SCHULLER, and what they think of his teachings, OR HE WOULD NEVER allow them, to join with him and the other false teachers.
YOU people NEED to pray for better discernment.
DOES everything have to be WRITTEN down before you can see the LIGHT?
LEARN to discern better.
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Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/06/07 11:33:36 AM |
Age 56, AZ |
The article clearly stated the facts about Robert Schuller regarding his past beliefs. However, I happened to see the episode when the great stunt man, "Evil," gave his testimony this year. Ever since then, the church seems to have taken a stronger stance on basic doctrines in the Christian faith. Maybe we need more recent quotes from Schuller and his son regarding their beliefs since Evil showed up and seemed to change their church!
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Re: SCHULLER'S PALACE IS MADE OF GLASS
| Posted On: 11/06/07 11:04:36 AM |
Age 63, NC |
Yes, Schuller's church is made of glass! But I can remember watching his broadcast when he "preached" at a drive-in theatre. It seems now that his message is targeted at the wealthy. If you have a large income, naturally you would enjoy his "prosperity" and "feel-good" talks every Sunday.
But don't forget preachers like Benny Hinn and the terrible way he makes you believe someone is healed! I find little I can agree with those who appear on TBN, and the constant reminder to "send me the money." May God help us all as these TV evangelists interpret God's Word for their own benefit.
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Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/06/07 09:52:08 AM |
Age 57, MN |
These people chosing to speak at Shullers conference are to be questioned.
WHERE does light mix with darkness, that the LIGHT is not snuffed out.
WHY would CHRISTIANS think they can mix the 2.
I heard today a person, from James Dobsen ministry, say we need to attend a marriage conference, with the Author of it being ( POPE JOHN PAUL). THIS is sheer insanity.
SO it doesnt at all surprize me that Focus on the Family thinks its ok to join in with SCHULLER.
this and the carnal CHRISTIAN heretical lie, are making MILLIONS of false converts today.
THE enemy certainly does lie within.
NO ONE who understands the word, would join with SCHULLER for anything.
WORKING along side of the devil, is NOT what we are called to do.
I say it again, "THE ENEMY LIES WITHIN>"!
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Re: Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/06/07 09:28:31 AM |
Age 47, MO |
I disagree that Strobel speaking at this event lends it credibility. I say this because someone who knows Strobel, would hardly be a fan of Schuller. Strobel believes in reaching the lost and speaking the truth, and what better venue than inside the lion's den? Anyway, I will wait and see what happens and I sure hope that CWN reports back with the results. Bless God!
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Re: Yes, Robert Schuller Really Said Those Things and Yes, People Who Should Know Better Are Going To Speak For His Conference
| Posted On: 11/06/07 09:04:22 AM |
Age 65, WA |
My heart is so sad, not only have they embraced this apostasy, they are also all signed up under the Catholic umbrella who pray to Mary and hold her as part of salvation..and even told these false preachers the Catholic church was bringing unity to the world, that is to bring all religions together as now they all think they are to bring in and set up G-d's Kingdom even tho HE SAID,,MY Kingdom is NOT of this world. He said HE would not stand on a hill with other gods. They even think they have replaced Israel. How appalling that all my life I was told of the great apostasy that would come, and knowing Satan would come as a angel of light. We have this Schuller who was evens sleeping with women in the church and told them they could be closer to G-d if they did, and yet he is the big leader with his positive thinking ?? He is teaching the positive way to hell. My heart is broken as I see the church of light bow down with darkness, Lots of blood will be on their hands. The New age has been getting in, the wolves and they sure make it sound so good. But G-d said, what has darkness to do with light, from such turn away...PC is not just in schools but in gov. Take Rudy that many churches are for,,Rudy is for same sex marrige, abortion and things of hell..We all have not too much time left before the church goes, Turn back is my prayer.
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