Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/29/07 10:13:36 AM |
Age 71, CANADA |
Pagitt's message is heresey. J. Gresham Machen who wrote the very controversial book "Liberalism or Christianty?" would likely take a similar approach to this subject; "The Emergent Church or Christianity?" because in many ways the two are very similar. They both claim "enlightenment" and they both engage in similar distortions, perversions, and definately preach "another" gospel. It seems "The Emergent Church" is an attempt to gain intelectual respectibility while still having the appearance of evangelical orthodoxy. Another parallel to this movement may be Carter's and Clinton's attempts at founding a new "more tolerant" Baptist Denomination. It is the same slippery slope that Bishop J.C. Ryle and Charles Haddon Spurgeon warned there generation of at the turn of the 20th century. It is clearly a good example of what it means to be able to contend for the faith and to know what it is you believe and why, in the tradition of the Apostles, early Church Fathers and the Reformers and most importantly; from the pens and lips of the inspired writers of Holy Writ. Sola Scriptura!
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/29/07 10:06:38 AM |
Age 71, CANADA |
HERETIC! J. Gresham Machen who wrote the very controversial book "Liberalism or Christianty?" would likely take a similar approach to this subject; "The Emergent Church or Christianity?" because in many ways the two are very similar. They both claim "enlightenment" and they both engage in similar distortions, perversions, and definately preach "another" gospel. It seems "The Emergent Church" is an attempt to gain intelectual respectibility while still having the appearance of evangelical orthodoxy. Another parallel to this movement may be Carter's and Clinton's attempts at founding a new "more tolerant" Baptist Denomination. It is the same slippery slope that Bishop J.C. Ryle and Charles Haddon Spurgeon warned there generation of at the turn of the 20th century. It is clearly a good example of what it means to be able to contend for the faith and to know what it is you believe and why, in the tradition of the Apostles, early Church Fathers and the Reformers and most importantly; from the pens and lips of the inspired writers of Holy Writ. Sola Scriptura!
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Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/29/07 09:52:36 AM |
Age 20, PA |
What version of the Bible are you reading?
WOAH there captain!
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Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/28/07 09:37:09 PM |
Age 27, SC |
Heresy (by definition)
Even though true definitions aren't popular today, thank God true definitions are not determined by popularity.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/28/07 08:26:01 AM |
Age 59, MA |
Heretic, unequivocally. This is classic Universalism, shabbily wrapped, which every generation of the Church has been obliged to identify and rebuke. The Bible is clear that the Pagitts we will always have with us, so this is unremarkable; the far greater tragedy is the immense number of Biblically illiterate who listen to them. Jesus said, "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way." Mt.7:13,NLT.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/28/07 03:42:47 AM |
Age 53, FL |
Doug Pagitt is correct -- all paths do lead to God -- the question is what will He say to you when you stand before Him.. Heaven or Hell. I fear for Pagitt and those who follow his heresy.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/28/07 01:38:25 AM |
Age 51, PA |
As for my response - DUH!
What is more troubling is the amount of
responders who are as clueless as Doug
Pagitt is!
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 07:45:35 PM |
Age 52, TX |
Heresy
Doug's remarks totally contradict the
truth in Scripture!!
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Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 05:21:54 PM |
Age 45, NJ |
Can I get an "AMEN!"?
Patrick Burwell/Evangelist@OnlyJesusSaves.com
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Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 05:19:49 PM |
Age 45, NJ |
Well that was a HUGE leap from this emergent hogwash to Sola Scriptura being heresy. What gives? ' Patrick Burwell / OnlyJesusSaves.com/ Evangelist@OnlyJesusSaves.com '
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 04:11:42 PM |
Age 55, AR |
Heretic. The emergent philisophical bent to scripture is about as sharp and clear as a boiled egg. Coming to Christ brings into focus that we are truly dead without the regenerative work of the Holy Spirit,and by the washing of the Word we see why Jesus had to suffer and then die. That we are meant to be intimate partakers of that is left out of the emergent "philosophy". 2Tim.4:3-4 Doug Pagitt's vain prattle makes a mockery out of the Moslems and Hindus who have come to Christ and are tortured and murdered for their faith because they will not deny Him...they can't, because they KNOW HIM.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 03:35:18 PM |
Age 60, GA |
To be a heretic wouldn't one have to be preaching a false "Gospel"? The message he is preaching is Baha'i. He may call it what he wishes but when your "truth" is as squishing as silly putty it is rather hard to define anything and call it absolute truth.
He doesn't use scripture to persuade; he uses New Age logic which has no boundaries and adapts to the situation at hand. We called this "situation ethics" during the '80s.
Heretic? No but he is a lost, confused, new age shaman.
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Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 12:26:47 PM |
Age 41, TX |
The seeming arrogance here grieves me greatly. In a 15 minute question and answer session we decide that someone is going to hell? It's one thing to say what sends someone to heaven or hell but quite another to "determine" that someone is going to hell. And a Q&A session doesn't reveal all of what someone thinks. Questions are often slanted. If I ask, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" ... there's not a good way to answer that. I'm ok with disagreeing with people ... but this kind of vitriolic speech grieves me. Non-believers often accuse us of being hate mongers ... and my fear is that they're right.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 12:14:27 PM |
Age 50, NY |
Heretic: He claims to go by what the Bible says but when you tell him what the Bible says he scoffs at it and clearly continues to push his own false doctrine.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 12:12:31 PM |
Age 50, NY |
Heritic: He claims to go by what the Bible says but when you tell him what the Bible says he scoffs at it and clearly continues to push his own false doctrine.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 10:01:44 AM |
Age 51, IN |
Doug Pagitt is a heretic without any doubt!!
Doug apparently knows scripture and yet is perverting it. This perversion of scripture is exactly what satan did and he will continue to do so along with all of his minnions. This unfortunately is what Doug Paggit proves himself to be!! Doug, those that preach and teach GOD'S words in a willful perverted manner that deceives people will indeed suffer hells worst eternal punishment.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/27/07 09:08:44 AM |
Age 41, IN |
Was Bill Clinton kinda a emergent forerunner. ie. "I depends on what the definition of is is." Technically I was alone. Slick Wille-Slick Dougie!
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Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not? Age 41, UKRAINE
| Posted On: 10/27/07 06:21:32 AM |
Age 41, FL |
Yes, remember the judge not passage in Matthew 7, verse 1?
Well please read a little further where Jesus Said that we'd know them by their fruits.
We are not to judge others, when we're doing just the same, or worse.
But we are warned to be on the lookout for those who would deceive us.
Matthew 7:15-23, "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
So then, you will know them by their fruits.
Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' "
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/26/07 11:46:04 PM |
Age 61, NC |
Doug Pagitt has a religion of his own and it is not Biblical Christianity. He contridicts John 14:6 and believes that God will accept every person Reguardless what the person believes. He does believe not in the depravity of man and that we all deserve hell based on our works. He does not understand the grace of God. He does not believe in absolute truth. He is a dangerous heretic. He twists the scripture the same way Satan does.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/26/07 09:42:42 PM |
Age 66, OH |
Heretic of course. Why would there even be a question. His own mouth condems him. If the speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
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