Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 03:32:36 PM |
Age 27, FL |
Heretic... and those who follow him have itching ears.. 2 Timothy 4:3
Please pray that this man repents.... This is sad
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 03:02:50 PM |
Age 33, VA |
Heretic! He makes the Bible say what he wants it to say rather than read it for what it is, THE TRUTH!
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 02:44:32 PM |
Age 60, KS |
I'm going to try one sentence although it's tough. I'm not going to agree or disagree with the author. I simply am looking for the answer to this question:
What religion is God? We need to be what He is!!
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 02:24:25 PM |
Age 33, NC |
Heretic? Without a doubt. Anyone who believes all roads lead to Heaven is a heretic.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 02:23:39 PM |
Age 57, AZ |
He's absolutely without a doubt, a heretic. Is he the false prophet that precedes the Antichrist? Food for thought...
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 02:23:04 PM |
Age 49, IA |
No doubt in my mind, a heretic. At the end he said he would preach at the funeral of a friend who was Muslim, and he said he would offer hope by faith through Jesus Christ. People can say they have faith in Christ, but it actually has to mean something. From everything that he said prior to that statement it was obvious that he had no faith in Christ. If you ever get to talk to him again, ask him this question, "Why did Jesus have to die?" I am pretty sure that he will give some kind of mushy answer that will be further proof that he is a heretic. Thanks for sharing your interview with him to the world. We all need to know what we believe!
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 01:47:15 PM |
Age 58, MI |
Doug Pagitt, while claiming to be a Christian Pastor, is espousing a doctrine that basically says the bible a)can not be known for sure, or b)it cannot be trusted to convey to us God's absolute truth. Either way it is heresy.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 01:31:06 PM |
Age 49, TX |
Draw the circle small enough with me on the inside and identification of heretics is easy, simple and hateful.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 01:30:06 PM |
Age 50, MN |
I think Doug's view are clearly aberant, unbiblical, and in error. Are they heretical? I'm not sure. He is clearly a universalist who believes everyone will ultimately be "saved." If he thinks the basis for that salvation is the atoning work of Jesus on the cross applied to everyone, including non-believers, that is wrong, but maybe not heretical. If he has another reason for his view, such as "no one deserves Hell," then I think it may fall in the heresy catergory. It was very sad to listen to this.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 01:11:09 PM |
Age 62, FL |
Heretic!
You can't deny such a large portion of God's Word, and what Jesus taught and still be a child of God. If, as we believe, Scripture is inerrant and the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God, we can't just say, "Oh, He'll make allowances for me!"
The Word states that our God is "a consuming fire" and not a Divine "flower child" preaching "peace and love" and denying His Holiness.
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heretic
| Posted On: 10/25/07 12:59:13 PM |
Age 33, FL |
Todd,
I thought that Doug was so confusing! I don't know that I could even figure out what he believes. Talk about snatching verses out of context. I think that he has actually done what he was accusing you of. Though I do think that both of you needed to let each other finish your statements before beginning to talk...it was a little bit hard to understand when both of you are talking at the same time.
Thanks for your stand on Scripture!
Keep up the good work!!
Elisabeth Keyes
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 12:39:06 PM |
Age 50, MN |
First time I listened to Todd. Unfortunately I heard a shrill, unwilling to engage the guest, Rush Limbaugh wanna be, who wasn't interested in discussion or getting at what someone is thinking, even though he's asking that question. We have reshaped the Bible to fit the way western society wants to live and to look honestly at how we have done that is not heresy.//You even pieced together the 4 minutes just the way you did the scripture verses - very intersting. He was clear, we all stand before God in a similar way when we die, that's true, he would talk to the family about reconciling with God through Jesus at the muslim funeral. When allowed to speak he talked about people being eliminated from what God was doing in the evermore - maybe that's not as clear as a Jenkins/Lahaye book - but I think there are more questions than answers about the judgement and God will be God in this matter - not Todd Friel or Doug Pagitt. //So keep patting yourself on the back like you did the rest of the show with your listeners because you have it all down and every question answered. - since I don't(as you would obviously agree) I guess I have more in common with Pagitt than you - and more hope that Christianity can be relevant to my life and this world.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 12:37:00 PM |
Age 54, MT |
Doug is a heretic. It sounds like another person who takes the way they want heaven to be and twists the definition of words from the Bible around to meet their "new" definition...one that will fit the after life they wish for.
Heaven isn't a personal interpretation...we may not know alot about it, but Jesus gave us hints and he definitely told us the door to get there. Doug wants many doors to heaven, but there is only one.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 12:34:01 PM |
Age 38, WV |
So THAT is why my (emerging) pastor can speak for an hour but not say a thing?
I had a friend ask him a few very simple questions one time as to why she should join the church, and he went on and on with some gobbledy-gook and never even answered what was asked. You'd think he was a career politician! :)
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 12:30:32 PM |
Age 53, KS |
Heretic by all means and by most of his words. Dealing with this is like boxing with a cloud. This has shown up in our formerly Bible-believing church. It has come in like a fog, blinding the eyes of many. Its BROAD appeal has made the teaching popular except for the FEW. It is tickling the ears of many and causing the few to flee. In researching this and digging around we have found that the Kingdom Now movement in the Charismatic Churches seems to fit what Doug Pagitt was talking about. The fact(his fact) that the heaven and earth are going to be recreated and the evil will be out of the way is kin to the belief in the Kingdom Now group that the people who are not fit for the Kingdom will be raptured so that they(Kingdom people) can usher in the Kingdom. In a sense, if they can get all of us dogmatic, doctrinaire Bible -believing people out of the way, the Kingdom can happen. It will serve as a convenient excuse when the rapture of His true church happens. Heresy is a soft word for this. It is dangerous. It is putting many without Bible knowledge on a train bound in the wrong direction. Psalm 11:4. Thanks for your articles and work for Way Of the Master. Exposing this stuff and explaining it is helping the scales fall from some eyes. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 12:18:41 PM |
Age 34, MN |
Heretic
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ricky G ~ SO4J.com
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 11:58:47 AM |
Age 58, IN |
Doug Pagitt is a heretic. He denys that Jesus is the only way. He teaches that you do not have to be born again. He denies a hell. He is a universalist. He is a in the same category as Carlton Pearson. (HERETICS)
Stay far away from these men.
Elaine
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 11:44:25 AM |
Age 41, TX |
So, the essentials are the 5 solas? Hmmmm. Not so sure about that. Who decides that those are the essentials? What were the essentials before the reformers came up with those? Shouldn't we maybe to back to the early church fathers? What about one of the creeds? That's what they determined were essential.
Seems to me that when someone asked Jesus about the essentials he boiled it down to loving God and loving your neighbor. That seems like a pretty good sola to start with to me.
Haven't had time to listen to Pagitt's interview yet ... but will do it soon.
I may agree or disagree on points with him ... but as far as assigning him personally as a heretic? I think I'll leave that to God ... esp. since as near as I can tell that is a heart issue.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 11:38:04 AM |
Age 34, GA |
Heresy. What this guy is saying is there was no reason for Jesus to die on the cross.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 11:37:02 AM |
Age 53, OR |
I have a college education and I did not understand what Pagitt was talking about. Heaven as a "metaphor"? How does he share his faith with his good Muslim friends when he cannot even discern good and evil and talk about the penalty for sin? Emergent types always tap dance around naming sin and using the law as a way to show non-believers that sin leads to death which is eternal separation from God. They would much rather have philosophical discussions about the "Bible as Metaphor." He couldn't answer Todd's questions, so he moved into questioning how Todd was asking the questions. He tried to sidestep the real issues that way. There were pieces of truth mixed into his answers. Does this technique ring familiar (..."did God REALLY say...?) - - ?
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