answering what happened to Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 04/24/09 01:11:10 PM |
Age 52, LA |
Hi Jan, just read your article, for years anytime I'd see or hear anything about Jimmy Carter I would say "what happened to him?", I believe I found the answer in a book I am currently reading, Tongues, Prosperity, & Godhood by Dr. Cathy Burns, Ruth Carter Stapleton is Jimmy Carter's sister, Ms. Stapleton was a student of Agnes Sanford, considered to be "the" founder of the Inner Healing Movement, rooted in the teachings of Freud & Jung & today part of the charismatic renewal/tongues movement interwoven with New Age teachings, this movement nullifies the cross of Christ, teaching the need for the healing of past memories through "visualization" even to the point of visualizing "Jesus", replacing a personal encounter with the Christ of Scripture with unbiblical experiences, there is much more but I think the point has been made.
Because of Christ, Addie
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Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 09/16/07 04:46:59 PM |
Age 65, VA |
I don't believe you can compare Jimmy Carter to David!!!
That is like comparing raisins to apples!!!
David was the apple of God's eye.....Jimmy Carter better get on his face and repent, then keep his mouth closed.
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 09/15/07 09:46:26 PM |
Age 49, KS |
Hi: I pretty much agree with you Jan about Church Growth conferences. According to the Word of God in the book of Acts--The Holy Spirit drew people to the Lord & grew the churches by His mighty power. The word says "Not by might, not by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord." So Church Growth happens by the Holy Spirit & He decides how big a church will be.
The pastor and congregation need to get before the Lord and fast and pray & get His plan for their church which is really His church, not theirs.
I am really bothered by all these "make it happen in the flesh" Church Growth programs to get bigger buildings which sometimes are not even needed really. My husband and I have gone through 3 of them already-3 different churches. Really only one of them was a bona fide need-we felt. The church was bursting at the seams.
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 09/08/07 06:06:13 PM |
Age 65, VA |
Jimmy Carter needs to be put out to pasture before God does it on all fours.
I consider him a traidor to this Country and to God.
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Re: Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/29/07 03:03:54 PM |
Age 50, MN |
How sad when our christian 'leaders' hold up as a mentor a chain smoking, pill popping, snide, egotistical blowhard who actually despises christians and only uses them to further his political agenda. Christians and Rush Limbaugh have NOTHING in common except a few conservative issues - he has duped us and used us as a voting bloc and should hardly be a mentor for anybody. I suppose it's okay for a Christian magazine publisher to hold up Hugh Hefner as a mentor too? At the bottom line they have very similar theology and if pressed he'll admit it. I guess only Jan can decide if this is righteous anger or just plain old anger.
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Re: Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/27/07 09:32:11 PM |
Age 48, CA |
I do believe that God alone decides the times & boundries of all nations. Even so called cruel leaders. In our current godless / opostate societies, we consider anyone who actually punishes evil to be cruel. We have taken Grace and turned it into allowing rapists to rape, robbers to rob, thieves to steal and murderes to kill.
Some even go so far as to want to punish victime who fight back claiming that "Failure to turn the other cheek" Is the real crime in this age of Grace.
John Adams, our 2nd President siad it eloquently. "Our Constitution was written for a Moral God fearing people and no other"
He went on to describe how order and freedom can only exist together when the people are inclined towards self restraint.
"The less contro there is from within, the more is required from without" Some people cannot have order unless they have a brutal dictator in control of them. The Lord, not us and our wonder weapons decides who is in charge when, where, and for how long.
When Thomas Jefferson proclaimed that governments derive thier just powers from the consent of the governed, he was unBiblical but even here, we tend to romanticise it with the notion that a brutal dictator cannot rule over a just people. It also goes the other way. A Just leader cannot remain in power over an imoral people. We tend to forget that Moses was, by our opostate standards, a brutal dictator who "Murdered" 3000 people in the Golden Calf incident and over his 40 years in the desert, he wiped out an entire generation.
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Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/24/07 07:34:20 AM |
Age 50, MN |
This is Jan, the female Rush Limbaugh. What a compliment. He is my mentor. He taught me to do "talk radio." I'll be subbing for him soon. Thanks again for making my day. ~ Jan
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/23/07 08:35:22 PM |
Age 52, CA |
So! Ms Markell has a brain disconnect--that is such a sad state of affairs. I am truly thrilled you rode to the rescue of all the unfortunate misfits that congregate here.
Wow! Markell's "4 point plan for proper mega-church growth" includes telling the truth. What a novel concept: Truth.
I'm not going to waste my efforts at refuting your grossly misinformed views on James Carter. The enmasse walkout by his own staff speaks volumes to that.
I'm not going to bother with your brand of truth, either. Your post comes off sounding like a hate rant. If it truly isn't, learn how to write.
I really get tired of reading misinformed arm chair theologians using Romans incorrectly. Where did you learn your exegesis? Who told you Romans 9-11 proves the Jews have been "disinherited"? Did you come up with that on your own?
May I suggest a few tomes for your perusal? Let's start with John Murray's one vol. work: 'The Epistle to the Romans', followed by Donald Barnhouse's 4 vol. work titled 'Romans'. Then you might segue into John MacArthur's 2 vol. set titled "Romans'. Last, but by no means least, grapple with D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones' definitive 14 vol. work titled, you guessed it, 'Romans'.
Finally, May I recommend 'Evangelical Hermeneutics' by Robert L Thomas. You might learn something very valuable.
May God truly bless you through the finished work of the cross by His most holy and blessed son Y'shua.
Herb
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Re: Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/22/07 07:44:00 AM |
Age 51, WI |
Thanks Jan, you proved my points very well. The truth is called hate rhetoric from the left and not civilized. I don't despise Israel one bit like you think. You didn't read my post. No hate whatsoever. The truth and only the truth. By the way, I'm quite conservative in my beliefs. We actually have quite a bit in common, except I am not a dispensationalist. You see Israel as God's chosen, yet I see those who believe in Jesus Christ as God's chosen, Jew or Gentile, just like the New Testament says. Read Romans 9-11 without your preconceived conclusions. It is those with the faith of Abraham that are Israel, no bloodlines involved. And all Israel will be saved, meaning those with the faith of Abraham regardless of your racial preferences.
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Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/21/07 01:40:11 PM |
Age 50, MN |
This is Jan. My but you folks on the Left despise Israel. Jesus was a Jew. Our Bible is from the Jews. Salvation is of the Jews. Can't you back off with such hate rhetoric and just settle down and make a civilized criticism about them?
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Re: My favorite Jimmy Carter story.
| Posted On: 08/20/07 03:31:17 PM |
Age 50, MN |
Could it have been when Paul said all women need to wear head covering in church? (we've thrown that one out the door) Or maybe in his tacit endorsement of slavery? (should we go back to that?) There are also many other examples where we have written off Paul's commands due to 'cultural understandings' - at least the ones we don't want to adhere to anymore. We all pick and choose whether you want to admit it or not - Carter was just being honest about it -kind of refreshing isn't it?
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Re: Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/20/07 12:29:19 PM |
Age 48, CA |
It's not about you alone. Everybody says "Not me!" And yet, the divorce, abortion, teen pregnancy, drug abouse rate, and all the other vices of the world are no different within the walls of our Churches than they are outside. Newt Gingrich was having an affair while self rightiously blasting our then "Rapist in chief". Jimmy Swaggert was angaging in porn not once, but twice and probably still does. The President of the American Evangelical association was caught making sexual advances to young boys, The Catholic Priest sex scandal, Jim & Tammy Baker, Micheal English, a prodominant Christian singer had an affair and impregnated his mistress only to declare "My personal life is none of your business!" Amy Grant dumps her husband for her manager and falsy accuses her husband of domestic abuse. The list goes on and on and these are the leaders! HAving been to many different Churches, there is little difference. Same soap opera of who is having an affair with whom, who is getting a divorce, etc. We are salt that has lost it's saltiness and now we want to bomb other nations into submitting our verson af saltless salt.
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Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/17/07 09:01:24 PM |
Age 47, IL |
So what is your point? Is Carter part of the repuductive health group from the UN...yes. Is he now and has he always been difficult to understand? Yes...so why do you think Willowcreek thinks so highly of him?
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Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/17/07 05:05:55 PM |
Age 61, FL |
Miss Markell you are right and cool.
your brother in Christ
Paul
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/17/07 02:16:43 PM |
Age 35, TX |
I was part of a group that attended this years Willowcreek Leadership Conference via satallite. I gleaned great insight into leadership and leadership models and methods from almost all of the conference speakers. In as much as I understand it, the purpose of the conference focuses on leadership and how to better our impact in our ministries and organizations. Along those lines I was challenged in many ways to evaluate my leadership qualities and take an objective look at our organizations effectiveness. However, in response to Jimmy Carter being in the line-up of speakers, I would agree with Jan Markell's assessment that Mr. Carter has little to offer by way of spiritual input or growth. Not only that but I don't believe that Mr. Carter has anything to offer in the area of leadership either. I have listened to his rhetoric and read many of his books over the last few years and have concluded that I disagree with much of his ideology and his worldview. The article references some of the shortcomings of his administration and his pursuites following his presidency. I agree again. For this reason, I felt no compulsion to attend his session. I would say that his inclusion as a speaker was the only drawback to this Summit on leadership.
Shawn
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/17/07 11:23:33 AM |
Age 51, OH |
This was a Leadership Summuit, not strictly a "church conference". Jimmy Carter, good, bad or indifferent, was/is a leader and an opinion shaper. Willow Creek does well to bring in a diversity of leadership speakers. We can learn even from the negative examples of leaders. Biblical example: David.
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/17/07 06:33:53 AM |
Age 51, WI |
Is there some sort of brain disconnect going on here? First Jan gives her 4 point plan for proper mega-church growth, one of them being telling the truth. And then goes on to lament Jimmy Carter being present at an annual Leadership Summit with mega church growth leaders. Why? Because he tells the truth about America. Bad-mouthing is what Jan calls it. There happens to be a verse in the Bible somewhere about not saying anything untoward about America or apostate Israel or you're not a Christian. Nobody knows where that verse is except Jan and a few other cheerleaders for blowing up the Muslims.
Dictators? She brings up the Ayatollah Khoumeini. She is truly sad that the Shah of Iran kingdom fell and handed back over to the people of Iran with a man who's interest was for his own country, not his own pocket book, and America's interests. The Shah died a billionaire. The Ayatollah died poor.
What possible spiritual input and spiritual growth could have been imparted by Jimmy Carter? How about his life! His works speak volumes about his faith in Jesus Christ. At his age he is still building homes for the downtrodden, showing his faith to all in word and deed, not traveling the world making millions for his speeches, like Reagan did, Bush, Clinton, etc. have done and some are still doing. He also isn't responsible for the deaths of millions of Iraqi's and other people groups in the Middle East like our current "Christian" president is. I believe that God allowed the rescue to fail so Carter's hands were not stained with the blood of those you desire to destroy.
Please don't expect anyone but Jews and heretic dispinsationalist's to believe anything CAMERA has to say. They are strictly a shill for the Zionist, pagan, ungodly and apostate nation of Israel, which you seem to think are filled with God's chosen people . . . unbelievers. Oh yes, anything truthfully reported about this nation is termed anti-semitic. Truth be damned. Delusion is a word thrown around quite a bit by Jan, reminding us of the times we live in. Physician, heal thyself.
As far as Colin Powell is concerned, didn't he quit his job and finally repent of his lies given to the world and the American people about the reasons we went over to Iraq? That is the start of Christianity. Have you repented of your involvement in the support of the most murdereous empire in the history of the world? Does telling the truth about America consitute heresy and blasphemy according to the Bible? Sadly Jan's Christianity is based on the support of the enemies of Christ, the Jews.
You're sounding more and more like a female Rush Limbaugh, . . . no credibility whatsoever.
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Re: Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/17/07 05:53:42 AM |
Age 28, TX |
Hello there. I would like to know what evidence you have that -I- am a "baby aborting, drug abusing sodomite." After all, simply by allowing my faith to inform my politics, I'm "religious right." So please, substantiate your accusations against me. --Mrs. Pilgrim
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/16/07 08:49:25 PM |
Age 56, MN |
This wasn't a Church conference; this was a leadership summit! Jimmy Carter is not the best leader but he is a man who can compel many to attend who wouldn't ordinarily come and they in turn will hear a Gospel message roundly presented possibly many times. There is not a devil behind every bush. There is enough wrong with this country that you don't have to condemn even churches. You offer nothing positive, or any real solutions, just more complaining. Particularly when it is against some one who is triing to do something positive for America, even if it has a flaw or two.
You are a compelling reason for many to not even take a look at Christianity because we Believers are just a bunch of negative, bigoted, ultra-right wing war/hate mongering, shoot our wounded, miss-directed souls. Please, if you find a problem; try to give a soluable possible alternative!
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/16/07 05:43:07 PM |
Age 49, IL |
I guess I just don't see what Jimmy Carter has done to further the Kingdom in all of his books, travels and humanitarian efforts. I don't see him as a glowing example of Christian leadership; I guess I am not suprised that Willow might embrace his nice guy/ "works" Christianity. Rather they should have found a leader, perhaps like James MacDonald of Harvest Bible Chapel in Rolling Meadows, IL, who not only is head of a rapidly growing Harvest Bible Chapel, but also a leaderthat looks to God's Word for guidance at every step of the way and and makes no apology for standing faithfully on God's Truth in love. Sounds like Willow was more interested in a big turnout, than Biblical content......
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