Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Violence, Religion and European History
| Posted On: 08/16/07 09:58:02 AM |
Age 47, CA |
In war, nothing is ever the way things appear. It is arrogant to assume that America would have endured 1000+% inflation, 65% unemployment, total anarchy and rejected someone like Hitler. As it was, FDR tried to turn this nation into a comunist republic. To this day, those in congress and the courts who prevented FDR from getting all the power he wanted are still considered "Evil obstructionalists"
It was FDR and his policies that made Reagan switch parties.
Either bypassing the enemies military and attacking it's civilian population is an acceptable act of war or it is not. Since the USAF has killed more innocent civilians than all of the terrorist organizations combined, we must assume that it is and cannot blame the enemy for using our own tactics against us. Showering cities with White Phosphorus and then spraying the people with diesel fuel is just as much an atrocity as anything the Nazis did. Only we do it from 20,000 feet up.
Staying out of WW1 would have resulted in both sides getting tired of killing each other. This would have resulted in a more equitable peace which would not have plunged Germany into the hopless situation allowing the Nazis to come to power.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Violence, Religion and European History
| Posted On: 08/16/07 09:26:24 AM |
Age 47, CA |
The patriotic hot air does not hold up to what comes to light over time. FDR wanted to get into the war long before the USA did. Frustrated at his inability to enter the war, FDR told Churchill "If I can't get intop the war on the Atlantic side, I'll do it in the Pacific"
The Treasty of Versalles created hitler. Europe sreated Hitler, Europe deserved Hitler. Any so called Moral high ground you calim to have had went down the tubes when we handed Eastern Europe over to Stalin who was worse than Hitler ever was. Two Deployments to the Med made an isolationist out of me. It was difficult to "Defend" people waiving hammer & sickle flags, spying on our ship, and in one case using a pleasure craft to hook our towed array sonar in order so that they could give it to the Soviets. Hitler couldn't cross a 22 mile wide channel much less the Atlantic.
He was no threat to the USA and this current slouch towards Gomorra we are currently on is not something I would go to war in order to inpose on anybody. The 2nd Amendment applies to the radical right as much as it does to the left. Currrently, I would shoot Bush as readlily as I would Clinton.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Violence, Religion and European History
| Posted On: 08/15/07 04:58:10 PM |
Age 47, MO |
Am I understanding you correctly that we made Hitler what he was? America wasn't right to defend the innocent nations of Europe and the Jews from the SS machine? America went to war willingly because of the economy, not reluctantly due to our isolationist policies and Pearl Harbor? Could liberalism truely be a mental disorder? Friend, your take on history is riddled with emotion and void of facts.
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Re: Re: Re: Violence, Religion and European History
| Posted On: 08/15/07 10:14:57 AM |
Age 47, CA |
If any nation was comfortable and away from the war, it was America. Then, as now, the bravest voices come from disfuntional chickenhawks who talk tough as they send others to fight and die. The truth is that Hitler could'nt even cross a 22 mile wide channel much less the Atlantic. America was never in danger of a NAZI invasion. The war was needed to stimulate the economy and get us out of the depression.
No American involvment in WW1, no treaty of Versles. No Treatry of Versales, no Germany reduced to poverty, bankrupcy, and anarchy.
No Germany crushed under Versales, Hitler would have taken his place beside Picasso instead of Stalin.
It is wrong to assume that Hitler was some abnormal evil in a good world. The Lord teaches thatthe entire world is fallen and that ALL human institutions are evil.
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Re: Re: Re: Violence, Religion and European History
| Posted On: 08/15/07 10:08:24 AM |
Age 47, CA |
It is you who is now using moral relitavism. When we fire bomb, carpet bomb, or atomis cities killing civilians by the hundreds of thousands we call it "Strategic bombing" And justify it. When the enemy returns the favor, we call it terrorism. Either bombing civilians is an acceptable act of war or it is not. Since The USAF has killed more civilian non combatants than all of the so called terrorists organizations combined, we have no moral high ground.
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Re: Re: Violence, Religion and European History
| Posted On: 08/12/07 03:45:52 PM |
Age 47, MO |
Yes, you're right it's the fault of the Christian, the WASP, Capitalism and the American machine that caused the "Drysden Haulocaust" and for all of Germany to elect Hitler to power. After all, they had no choice due to the position we put them in after WWI. Why couldn't we just be tolerant and accepting like the people of Germany were to Hitler and his SS war machine? Jew's, the nations of Europe, etc, all destroyed- what's the difference- as long as the people of Drysden had their self centered comfort and peace, oblivious to the war around them.
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Re: Re: Violence, Religion and European History
| Posted On: 08/11/07 03:14:30 PM |
Age 28, TX |
Sounds like you hit a nerve, Dr. Jones. Expect next someone accusing you of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy--you know, the usual desperate attempts of the unbelievers to defend the indefensible and to try to guilt us into no longer preaching the Gospel.
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Re: Re: Violence, Religion and European History
| Posted On: 08/10/07 11:14:19 AM |
Age 33, FL |
Your response is indicative of the moral relativism that the author speaks about. Dresden was simply a part of the over all strategy to win a DEFENSIVE war. As I recall, the first World War was also won by those who began by fighting on the defensive, you would rather they allow those who attacked them to walk away unscathed? It seems that you make excuses for the those who die while trying to conquer the world. Perhaps you should consider that those who engage in offensive warfare ultimately get what they deserve?
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Re: Violence, Religion and European History
| Posted On: 08/09/07 02:07:31 PM |
Age 47, CA |
You missed a couple of stops on your trip.
Dresdyn, no military base or anything of strategic value and yet was fire bombed. The fire storm was so great that people who tried to take refuge in water tanks were boiled like lobsters.
How about the Palace of Verslles? Here the treaty that the so called christian nations rammed down a treaty upon the Germans which turned Germany into a huge concentration camp paving the way for any leader who promised to lead them out of their mysery.
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