Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 09/04/07 10:24:50 PM |
Age 30, IA |
What's with the attitude and false accusations against me? I was with you for a while but, well, you're not worth my next comment. Go discuss your issues with someone.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/21/07 09:31:58 AM |
Age 47, CA |
Churches are not commanded to send governments to take out this evil ruler or that one. The fact that we are in our 5th year over there, 3/4 of a trillion dollars spent, and still no end in sight is proof that "They" are not as weak as you arrogant neocon christians claim they are. We are NOT called upon to "Liberate" the world into our permissivness. All we are doing over there is replacig their evil with ours.
Imposing our abortion, drug use, teen sex, and other vices of the world in place of Sharia Law in not Biblcial. Especially when our opostate churches promote this as grace = excuse to sin.
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Re: Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/15/07 10:50:40 AM |
Age 47, CA |
Clinton repented of nothing. "My personal life is none of your bussiness!" Is not repenting. You cannot be a "Baby killer christian" Or a "Homosexual Christian" Or a "Condoms for kids" christian. One cannot call him or her self a Christian and advocate the very sinful behaviors that Christ had to hang on the Cross for and call it normal.
CLinton also presided over the largest deliberate slaughter of civlians since the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
His cluster bombing of Belgrade opens a new dark chapter in our history. It marks the first time that we ONLY bombed civilians and avoided any target that could shoot back. So the party that bombed Belgrade has no moral high ground over the current one in power. All we did in 2000 was to exchange "The rapist in Chief" for "The evil Emporor".
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/15/07 10:24:10 AM |
Age 47, CA |
And they really have a chance to win and force us all to burn our Bibles and bow towards Mecca? In truth, our abortion clinics kill far more of our own babies than any of those so called "Islamofacists"
Our own left wing militias (Street gangs) Shoot far more of us than your "Islamic militias". Our own drug dealers poison more of us than anybody's chemical weapons. And our own sexual imorality infects more of us than anyones biological weapons. Sounds to me that our own opostasy and godlessness is a bigger threat to us than any of those so called "Islamofacists" And invading other nations and imposing our abortion, homosexuality, condoms for kids, drug use, and other aspects of our slouch towards Gomorra is only going to make those "Islamofacists" more angry and agressive, not less. As far as your home grown Islamic militias, our NRA types can take care of them. Since most Americans are Sarah Brady metrosexuals, it is they who are cowering behind our corrup self serving military industrial complex.
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Re: Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/13/07 09:43:34 PM |
Age 30, IA |
Has either of you guys heard of Islamberg, NY, or the numerous other paramilitary compounds funded by Al Qaeda in the US? We're supposed to not know about this.
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Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/10/07 02:01:19 PM |
Age 47, CA |
Where do we start?
Uplifting of Scriptures: Where in the Bible are we called upon to Bomb anyone into submission?
Mean Spirited: Rebuke is not mean spirited. Signing onto what is Unbiblical is.
Security of the citizens of the USA: There is no security in anything human. Anyone who places his / her faith in any government and it's corrupt self serving military industrial complex has their faith in the wrong place.
WW1: American Involvment in WW1 brought about a lopsided victory leading to the Treaty of versales. This treaty turned all of Germany into a death camp and brough about the great Depression.
WW2: The way we are willing to sign more and more power over to the governemnt after the paltry attack on 9-11 (And 9-11 pales in comparison to Dresdyn, Colone,Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and many other cities we have carpet bombed, fire bombed, atomic bombed, and cluster bombed any one of them killing innocent civilians by the tens if not hundreds of thousands) We can hardly blame the Germans for signing over power to the Nazis when they were suffereing 1,000+% inflation, 65% unemployment, and a total crime wave. The Germans couldn't even cross a 22 mile wide channel so there was no way they could have crossed the Atlantic in any great force. Our support for Stalin nixed any moral high ground we might have had in that war.
Japan: Japan never had any plans to invade the U.S. Mainland. They took thier fill and dug in. The Islan fortresses at Iwo Jima and other places are proof of that. The Pacific Fleet was forward deployed to Pearl harbor as an agressive military gesture. FDR, was frustrated at his failure to enter the war in Europe and was quoted as saying "If I can't get into this war in the Atlantic, I'll do it in the Pacific"
Islamofacists: Can you explain how "They" are able to ocupy this nation and force us all to Bow towards Mecca? We can't even secure one country the size of Califirnia after 5 years, 3/4 of a trillon dollars, 4,000 + dead, and over 30,000 wounded. How can "They" secure all 50 with only AK's RPG's and IED's?
Conver to Islam: Those who are cowering behind the corrup military industrial complex would be the first to convert once they learn that the system cannot protect them. Those who have true faith cannot be terrorised by Islam or anyone else who threatens physical violence.
Proud Citizen, warts and all: This is what many Germans thought. Many couldn't stand Hitler, especially after he siezed absolute power but held the same "My country right or wrong" atitude.
On pride, you cannot have pride and faith. It is written that the Lord hates the proud.
Freedom & security: The freedom Christ promises is not the political / moral freedom we profess. In fact, Peter warns that false teachers "Promise freedom while they themselves are slaves to depravity"
Souns like us and our current slouch towards Gomorra which we are now trying to impose upon the Islamic world and call it freedom.
Security: Our security lies in eternal life brough forth by Christ's death on the Cross. Not in our corrupt self serving government institutions. Christ taught that we will never have physical security in this world and that we are even to renounce physical prosperity and scurity if it interfere with his divine purpose.
Your neocon gospel is no gospel at all.
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Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/10/07 12:21:20 PM |
Age 47, CA |
Unbiblical? Against this country? It's Christians? Which Christians? The opostate homosexual christians? The Emergant Church christians? The flop & twitch in the isle false revival christians? or the neocon gospel of bombs & bullets christians?
Unbiblical? You love to quote Peter and Pauls Epistles to the Romans. So did the Nazis and thier opostate church allies.
It is Unbiblical to arrogantly proclaim us a great Christian nation as we continue to engage in the same divorce, sexual imorality, materialism, and other vices of the world.
It is Unbiblical to proclaim that it is "Our Christian duty" to bomb, shoot, beat, and kill the world into our godlessness disguesed as grace = excuse to sin.
It is Unbiblical for anyone who calls himself a Christian to cower behind the government and its corrupt self serving military industrial complex.
It is Unbiblical for anyone who calls himself a Christian to be terrorised by the so called Islamofacicists or anyone else who threatens physical violence. Anyne who does is either weak in his faith at best or outright false at worst.
It is Unbiblical to arrogantly proclaim ourselves as great in our own eyes.
It is Unbiblical to belss the bombs we are dropping over there.
It is Unbiblical falsly accuse other nations in order to go to war.
It is Unbiblical to spend more money thanone takes in.
It is Unbiblical to hide the true caosts of the war from the people.
Thsi President claims to be Christian but his actions are Unbiblical. To call him on it is Biblical. You are demanding blind obedience and That is Unbiblical.
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Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/10/07 08:26:43 AM |
Age 50, MN |
ARE YOU Kidding me!!! You should go back and read the rants about Clinton from Christian websites - the Bush criticism pales compared to what we put him through and in my opinion, probably not shared by many here - Clinton's sins were far less devastating to our country and the cause of Christ - and he, unlike Bush, repented and got immediate Christian counsel to help him. Of course I suppose Campolo and Hybels, etc don't count as Christian counsel in your book. // We destroyed and ripped Clinton mercilessly in our writings and talking for all 8 years of his administration- go back and check it out.
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Re: Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/10/07 06:46:24 AM |
Age 60, IL |
Age 47, CA, your theology is faulty. Jesus does indeed ask us to return evil with good... as individuals. Governments, on the other hand, were created to punish evil doers and to protect the innocent and the helpless. Sorry, but it seems that your emotions may have clouded your judgment.
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Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 10:11:44 PM |
Age 61, NY |
It`s easy sometimes to see the Faults in people who are in power. According to the word of god, the Bible, alot will take place. therefore be yee ready. We must pray for the president. It is said that he also Prays. We must Lift the President and the Preachers up in prayer. hopefully, they may be Convicted if wrong and supported if right. This world is doomed to getting worst. We as Christians know this. Our duty here is to help the Unsaved and whitness as soldiers of Christ. God Bless you all, In Christ Jesus, Lou.
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Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 06:20:39 PM |
Age 47, CA |
Where in the Bible are we called upon too invade other nations? Cna you explain how "They" can cme over here and kill us?
Can you explain how invadoing and imposiing our godless ways disguised as grace = excuse to sin is going to make us safer?
They hate us because we have had ur fingers in that region since the end of WW2. Doing more of we we have been doing is going to make things worse, not better.
ANY CHRSITIAN who cowers behid the government and it's corrupt self serving military industrial complex because he / she is terrorised has a weak faith at best, a false faith at worst. It should not be possible to terrorise a Christian with the threat of physical violence.
There is no gospel of bombs & bullets.
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Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 06:15:50 PM |
Age 47, AL |
While starting out somewhat on target in the oft repeated warnings of Christian leaders who don't offer much Christianity, this article turned into a very sad tirade against this country, its president and Christians in general. For a supposedly Christian individual to berate our President in opposition to God's Word is repulsive (read 1 Peter 2:13). I never heard even that much negativism about Bill Clinton in spite of his major moral failures. Fortunately, I am not nearly as gullible as you believe. Reading the books you promote only elevates the musings of men as opposed to the uplifting of inerrant Scripture. Furthermore, it taints all your writings and your Christian witness because of the mean-spirited attitude, the failure to offer any solutions, and the inaccuracies regarding the security of citizens of America. You instead seem to promote the "bury your head in the sand" philosophy of isolationism that was tried in the earlier part of the 20th century. That attitude led to WW1 and WW2, even though we did not have global aspirations. Just like the Japanese, Islamafascists will attack everyone in the world until they have eliminated all non-Muslims. Perhaps you should convert to Islam so you can be on the side you seem to prefer. I, for one, prefer to be a proud citizen of the United States of America, warts and all, and continue to fight for freedom, security, the institution of a more God-lead society, and the ability to worship the one and only true God without fear. Take your conspiracy theories to the MoveOn.org gang to whine and complain about.
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Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 06:15:37 PM |
Age 47, CA |
Oh really? And just how are all those so called terrorists going to get over here and force us all to bow towards Mecca? And just how is installing a puppet governemnt going to keep terrorists away? Quite to the contrary, our occupation of Iraq and the imposition of our godlessness upon the Islamic world has rescruited more terrorists than Bin Laden ever could have dreamed of. Bin Laden has shifted to the next phase. He no longer needs the schools in Afhagnistan, he now has live action training in Iraq. GThe next time 9-11 happens, the world will be on the side of our enemies because as evil invaders, we deserve whatever happens to us. As far as being unBiblical, can you open your Bible and show me a gospel of bombs & bullets? Where are we commanded to invade other nations onad impose our opostate version of the gospel where Grace = freedom to sin?
If you are going to quote Romans where we are to respect and obey those in authority, I would like to remind you that is what the opostate churches of Nazi Germany said too.
The Nazi churches preached that it was every germans Christian duty to kill the Jews, the same way you neocon christians now claim it is our duty to kill Muslims or "Liberate" them into western godlessness.
You are claiming linear warefare in a non linear environment.
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Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 04:15:07 PM |
Age 31, CA |
I would like to know why Mr. Baldwin thinks "Big Business" is the greatest threat facing our society when we shop and buy goods from "Big Business" to live. What bothers me most is the lack of regard for a terrorist threat from people who have no regard for human life. I believe this to be the greatest threat. He seems to fear George Bush more than Osama Bin Laden. If this is the case, than I question his agenda and motivations. I do believe President Bush is softer on terrorism than he should be and needs to be called on it. The fact remains that we will not survive as long as Islamic fundamentalists seek to destroy any who do not worship the god Allah. www.areyougood.us
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Re: Re: Yep! Are you gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 01:55:53 PM |
Age 45, IA |
Who's this Bin Laden guy? And why would Kerry chase him around the world? Isn't it obvious he wasn't the problem, but Saddam Hussein was. // Okay, obviously I'm being cynical - but why did we take our eyes off Bin Laden and Afghanistan and if you want to see gullibility - just look at how many people take hook, line and sinker that if we didn't fight Al Quadi in Iraq we'd be fighting them on our soil. // Al Aquadi wasn't in Iraq until we went there, Saddam hated Bin Laden and vice versa. // Baldwin is wrong to smear Christian leaders like he does, but he is right about Bush and the sooner evangelicals quit drinking his kool aid - the more of a chance they'll have of electing a Republican president again - if they don't - there is NO chance - we will have a democratic president - and you know what - it wouldn't be the worst thing after the mess and corruption this regime has created. // We would not have tolerated 1/10 of the scandals Bush has overseen from Clinton.
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Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 10:09:47 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Chuck:
I like a lot of what you wrote in broad generalities but I don't agree with your particulars.
Sure there are few real Christian men today but that's because their are fewer men today. We have become feminized and homogenized because of economic realities. What do you expect from a global economy and gender neutrality?
The war on terror is vital. The problem is that we Americans are reactionary and don't want to engage anything until it is a crisis. This crisis management, tolerance, and acceptance is also a result of feminism. The plus side of the war on terror is that our troops are learning realities of the real world, how to go beyond self, and how to be tough.
The economy is suffering because of selfish lending practices and easy credit. Not to mention corporate greed that forces us to be a debter society. That's it, you can blame the war but that's not the truth.
As for freedoms- we lost those long ago, way before the war made it obvious. We lost our freedoms when they quit being cherished. We lost our freedoms when we quit fighting for them and defending them. We lost freedoms 50 years ago when self become more important than God and truth.
So Chuck, what's the solution? A major catastrophe. Yep, it's biblical and coming, and true Christians will be prepared bacause we know to judge the seasons, die to self, and serve others and Christ.
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Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 10:07:09 AM |
Age 62, FL |
I, too, was disappointed that this article devolved into a Bush bashing session. The spending won't stop with a different leader. Have you noticed that all the leading candidates for president in both parties are socialists.
And, because scripturally, I don't see our country as a main player in the end times, I believe its' status as a world power will continue to diminish. Note the continuing slide since the 1950s with a short spike during the Reagan years.
Having said this, it doesn't take away our responsibility to follow Christ in our daily lives and be the light of Jesus Christ to those in our sphere of everyday life. If all of us who profess to believe and follow our Lord Jesus were the light we should be, it would be a very different world.
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Re: Re: Yep! Are you gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 12:06:49 AM |
Age 28, TX |
Interesting use of the "false dichotomy" argument in that "It's either Bush or Kerry" statement. Did it ever occur to you that Dr. Baldwin is pointing out how our president is not all he ought to be? Good grief, of all the times to use the black-and-white approach to things, now is not appropriate! Kerry's being a poor choice didn't automatically elevate Bush to the level of Messiah. And the "either X or Y, and we can't have Y" approach is going to put Giuliani--a socialist liberal if ever I saw one--in the White House instead of a good Christian man. "Oh well, at least he's not Hillary." Well, Satan's not Hillary, either...
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Re: Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/09/07 12:01:22 AM |
Age 28, TX |
As I've said to you before, Mr. Cancilla--albeit I said it under a different nom de guerre--"sez you." If there's to be no Tribulation, then why precisely is it that everything is circling the bowl--and we stand to find ourselves immersed in a regional union with our Third-World neighbors?
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Re: Re: Why Are Christians So Gullible?
| Posted On: 08/08/07 11:57:18 PM |
Age 28, TX |
Thanks for demonstrating precisely what Dr. Baldwin was talking about.--Mrs. Pilgrim
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