Re: Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 08/03/07 03:46:49 AM |
Age 42, OR |
Indeed. Frankly, when the Republican frontrunner is a pro-choice, pro-gay, serial adulterer, any remarks about the Democrats' 'morality' (or lack of same) have the ring of pot calling kettle.
Given the polling numbers of some of the other candidates, it would seem that the general public is not looking for a more conservative approach. In a democratic, pluralistic society, it might be worth looking into the _motives_ of those voters, and discussing how to change them, if in fact that is possible.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/31/07 09:59:34 PM |
Age 44, NJ |
Oh wait you mean Christians are advocating violence? You mean the same group who goes into Afghanistan to HELP THE POOR only to be MURDERED for DARING to trust in their God and love their God and those who KILL THEM so much they risk their lives?? DON'T YOU DARE COMPARE CHRISTIANS to MUSLIMS. It's the Muslims that are murdering people ALL AROUND THE WORLD. And those who are murdering people are considered the REAL MUSLIMS by their own book!!! Christians who are genuine are those who LOVE and by their book, the Bible. And those who claimed to be Christians and murdered ARE KNOWN BY EVERYONE NOT TO BE.
If you can't see the difference, if the difference between Christianity and Islam isn't OBVIOUS to you, then, in the words of Brad Stine, the comedian, "PUT A HELMET ON!"
Patrick Burwell, OnlyJesusSaves.com
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/24/07 03:56:08 PM |
Age 42, TX |
Two words: Constitution Party!
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/23/07 01:44:06 PM |
Age 50, WV |
I agree whole heartily with the writer but will add the following. The Democrats have taken their stand with the churches blessing. Have I now angered those who say they are Christian? Well I am not a Christian, I follow the way of Paul read Romans; I was once I called myself by the name Christian but I left the church when it first said homosexual life styles were alright, I dropped the demo party long ago when it supported the murder of million of innocent children on the alter of selfishness and greed. I follow the writings of Paul who taught the way the way of the kingdom the simple walk of Jesus. Jesus was the Messiah who suffered but you make that out to all he has and will do. Jesus is our new name to follow remembers we are to do as he did. So what would Jesus do? Would he elect a man who says abortion is a choice that the gay life style is as valid and god as the heterosexual? I can imagine he and the father sitting with jaws dropped as each group calling themselves followers debates these issues and decides to allow them in on the grounds of grace. Yes grace has come to mean all is allowed the churches use grace to justify everything negative and blur the lines between right and wrong. They use grace today to break every command and every decree and teach that God accepts everyone no matter what as long as they are good. So am I incensed at the coming debate yes? Will I watch no will I vote for a democrat no way not even if that demo was Jesus for my friend Jesus would not even join in the semblance of sin, he would say separate come out all you who are mine stay away do not join their sin filled ways. So now I say here all you who desire the way; then step out of your churches and follow the way. Fall in line with the first disciples and say no more. Stop supporting fuzzy grace with your hard earned money give it to the poor you see and know. Step up and become a real follower and do as Jesus did. Go out and help the widow the poor the orphaned do not think that a tray or plate on Sunday absolves you from your responsibility and duty. For to who is given much, much more is expected. We in this nation have been given much yet we do so little with the blessing feeling that we have done all we can on or in our one hour session in our Sunday seat. Yes I am angry that this debate will take place but I am amazed that in a nation that claims belief in Jesus as the Messiah it would ever take place at all. For all good Christians know what the book does say yet their preachers and teachers justify and say God loves everyone so do not judge. Rightly so but if one joins the sinner accepts his ways one is saying its okay and joins in with the sin.
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/20/07 11:35:27 AM |
Age 63, OH |
If a man of one party falls into sin and steals that does NOT make the whole party bad. BUT if a whole party teaches that stealing is right and everyone should steal then that whole party is rotten to the core. a lot of members of the republican party have fallen into sin. But the democratic party is saying that sin is OK and everyone should sin. They are rotten to the core. I have been an independent for many years but I will never vote democratic again until they admit publicly that they are wrong and change their platform. Lou
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Re: Re: Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/20/07 10:09:00 AM |
Age 35, WA |
Thanks for your feedback to my feedback. What's interesting to me is what you chose note to address - namely the idea that Mr. Burwell's position is a rest stop on the way to advocating harm to those who you disagree with. There's another group of true believers doing just that very thing right now - you might have noticed them, they're the ones with the AK's and black masks. But while you don't address that idea, you seem very ready to decide who's a Christian and who isn't, and who the enemies of God are. You might not realize it, but that's pretty presumptious of you.
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Re: Deciding which sin is more important in casting my vote
| Posted On: 07/19/07 11:42:18 AM |
Age 63, OH |
We are all sinners and all sin. But it is one thing to fall into sin or even walk in sin but quite another thing to teach that sin is not even wrong and to even teach that to be against sin is to be wrong. Yes there are many hypocrites in the republican party but they do not make a mockery of Jesus Christ right in their party platform. The democrats are making sin a matter of their platform and they are promoting sin. The Bible says Solomon was the wisest man who ever lived and Solomon said avoid sexual sin above all others. Of all sexual sins homosexuality is of the worst kind for it is a rebellion against what sex God has made a person. The Bible does say that it is hard for a rich man to enter heaven but it says a homosexual CANNOT ENTER HEAVEN. There is a difference. Look at how God judged homosexuality in Sodom. This judgment was before the law and still God told Abraham to not even TOUCH A SHOELACE from Sodom. If this nation accepts homosexuality destruction will be the price it pays. Lou
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Re: Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/18/07 04:12:48 PM |
Age 46, MO |
Interesing responses- do they make sense to you? So you are saying that the modern Democratic party is not the enemy of God? Their official party platform supports gay rights, abortion, class warfare, and socialism and yet you ask that question? Name me one Republican platform that is anti God. Sure there are liberal and conservative republicans and they do not always adhere to their platform, just like there are liberal and conservative Christians who do not always adhere to the word of God, but for you to defend these bafoons is amazing and blind, especially if you call yourself Christian.
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/18/07 08:41:27 AM |
Age 63, OH |
Patrick you have spoken very well and it is VERY appropriate that you have spoken, for NOT TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS ACT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS TO BE AGAINST JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF. Any nation that has not stood against homosexuality has invited disaster and any nation that has defended homosexuality has seen destruction. Lou
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/18/07 08:19:40 AM |
Age 64, TX |
I agree.I have been saying in my mind," Who voted for these people for a long while." Christians, it's a spiritual war but we can't straddle the fence!! Please speak out for Jesus!!
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/17/07 02:08:29 PM |
Age 70, FL |
But of course, brother Patrick. You are only telling the truth, which Jesus says will make us free. And I believe Paul says we should not even speak of such things. These candidates are not only willing to speak of such things in public but also appear to be reserving judgement on the rightness or wrongness of the listed lifestyles.They are indeed guilty of an ammoral approach. And I would add that this attitude is immoral in itself when God's law is so clear. A grieving American believer.
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/17/07 12:00:07 PM |
Age 53, MI |
Greetings,.. an excellent article to be sure. Why any Christian would want to stay in the Democratic Party when they are so blatenly unaligned with the Word of God is and should be a major topic of discussion in the Church. We need to hold each other accountabe as to how we vote and the issues of the day. May our God continue to bless Patrick Burwell and others in speaking out on these very important matters that if left unchallenged an unacted upon will have a profound affect on our beloved country.
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Deciding which sin is more important in casting my vote
| Posted On: 07/17/07 11:59:01 AM |
Age 31, CA |
It astonishes me that sins that involve sexuality are constantly heralded as the end all, be all decision making sins when it comes to voting. I don't even have enough space to write all of the sinful scandal that the conversative party has wrought upon us in the past five years. Unbelievable. Let's see... the newest is the DC Madam, in which multiple Republican politicians are having to admit their infidelities with whores---or all of the greed related sins being committed. Remember, the Bible doesn't say it is harder for a gay man to enter the kingdom of heaven... it's a rich man. I am so disheartened by these articles. Repulicans lie to our faces, and we continue to pretend that they aren't sinful on the same level? It's hypocrisy.
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/17/07 11:19:33 AM |
Age 35, WA |
I read Mr. Burwell's column with an increasing level of disbelief. The thinly veiled message I took away from his piece is that the Democratic party is the enemy of God. I'm surprised someone who professes humility before God could so placidly and vapidly judge his fellow man.
What's truly disturbing to me is that it's just a hop, skip, and a jump from the beliefs advocated by Mr. Burwell to a position that advocates doing harm to Democrats because of their sins. We're currently engaged on many fronts, fighting a group of true believers who believe it's okay to kill people because they don't share their religous beliefs. Meanwhile, safe at home, Mr. Burwell is laying the groundwork for American Christian Holy Warriors to go out and do the same.
Whether Mr. Burwell likes it or not, we are all Americans - Democrats and Republicans, believers and non-believers. Our government - comprised of Democrats and Republicans - must function equitably for all of us. In the same way, each political party must function equitably for believers and non-believers. To suggest that all believers must adhere to one party, and also castigate those believers who remain in the other party, is tantamount to equating the Republican party with the party of God.
Mr. Burwell seems to have forgotten we're to give unto Caesar what is his, and give unto God what is his. He'd have you believe his Caesar speaks for God. Shame on you, Mr. Burwell. Shame, shame, shame on you.
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/17/07 10:11:09 AM |
Age 29, IL |
Interesting! I would generally agree with the oppinion expressed here, but I struggle with the way in which it was expressed. I have not problem with clearly stating the issue, but it came acrossed as rathaer unloving and our focus in confrontation should alawys be restoration, not rejection.
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/17/07 09:59:04 AM |
Age 47, CA |
At least the deomocrats are honest. The other party might pay lip service to Christian values but they are the same homosexual, adulterous, drug abusing godless people their counterparts on the left are.
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/17/07 09:16:05 AM |
Age 60, MO |
You are absolutely correct, Patrick. Actually, any committed Christian should not vote for the lesser of two evils either. That doesn't leave must breathing room however, as far at the two party system goes here in the USA. Some effort needs to made to dismantle the totalitarian political system in the USA. More and more pastors need to speak out about the platforms of potential governing candidates, just as you have done here. We as a general populace have allowed our governments to imposed political laws that go against God's natural laws. The bulk of professing Christians need to see that this is not acceptable. George Cancilla
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/17/07 09:01:30 AM |
Age 38, OK |
As we compromise more and more, we lose our moral center. Soon we've lost them all. Its amazing to me how many people are VERY liberal, such as these mentioned, and truly feel they are taking the moral high ground. I cant understand people who will sell out for popularity, govt, etc. Were these the same people who compromised their morals in high school to be popular? I also do not understand politicians who cater to a such a small %age of the population. Of the MILLIONS of people who vote...most are not this group that is holding the debate.
But hey, I voted for ALLAN KEYES...everytime he's run for president!!!! Vote the person, look at his/her willingness/unwillingness to compromise ((if they'll give ground on something big, like morals, they'll not stand up for the little things, i.e. YOU)). Don't just look at what they're saying now...that tends to change a lot from campaign to campaign. Imagine you're on a jury and you must determine which witness is credible...when you join a party and then vote...you must do the same thing and sometimes it is the lesser of 2 (or 10) evils
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Re: Democrats Declare AMORAL Platform
| Posted On: 07/17/07 06:59:49 AM |
Age 42, NC |
They are adding another nail to their "political" coffins. Hopefully this will open the eyes of Christians who have been blindly following these candidates.
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