Re: Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 07/20/06 02:20:52 PM |
Age 58, TX |
Amen to that. Well said.
God is a God of peace and love, but He is also a God of judgement on evil.
When wicket men are in power the people suffer.
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 10/01/05 04:11:45 AM |
Age 45, NJ |
Where is the call to for Pat Robertson to repent of this attitude? And where is the loving rebuke since this hasn't yet happened? Although I agree that Chavez is a little Fidel & can cause trouble in the region if allowed to keep up his Communistic ways, assassination isn't a good way to do this. He can be brought down by other ways instead of murder, like voting him out of office or putting economic/diplomatic pressure to isolate him. But for a so called believer in Christ to call for murdering him on national TV is definately out.
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Re: Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 09/04/05 10:04:50 AM |
Age 53, MD |
Mega Ditto's My Friend! We who "claim" the Name above every name as our own, should know better to begin with.Unfortunately many do no research at all. Either Biblical or secular. Don't believe me? The next time you encounter a "Christian" ask them this question,"If you were to die right now and stand before the Lord God Almighty, and He were to ask you, "Why should I let you into My Heaven?", what would you say?" The answer they give will determine the depth of that individuals relationship to Christ. And keep in mind that there is only one correct answer.The fact of the matter is the majority of Christians(at least in our country & time) are minimalist's and religionists.Your correct in saying that there's more to the story than what the anti-God, anti-family, anti-pro-life, anti-everything that our Lord holds dear are spreading their own gospel and far too many "believers" are taking it in and it's bringing nothing but more shame & ridicule on the Name of Christ.I pray for the Chuch to wake up. It's seem's there is much we need to 'unlearn' as opposed to learning. And I don't believe it's appropriate (at this juncture)to say God Bless America, but rather God forgive America, especially the Church. HIServantII, D.V.Garrett at UtterleeHIS@aol.com.
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Re: Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 09/04/05 10:00:06 AM |
Age 53, MD |
Mega Ditto's My Friend! We who "claim" the Name above every name as our own, should know better to begin with.Unfortunately many do no research at all. Either Biblical or secular. Don't believe me? The next time you encounter a "Christian" ask them this question,"If you were to die right now and stand before the Lord God Almighty, and He were to ask you, "Why should I let you into My Heaven?", what would you say?" The answer they give will determine the depth of that individuals relationship to Christ. And keep in mind that there is only one correct answer.The fact of the matter is the majority of Christians(at least in our country & time) are minimalist's and religionists.Your correct in saying that there's more to the story than what the anti-God, anti-family, anti-pro-life, anti-everything that our Lord holds dear are spreading their own gospel and far too many "believers" are taking it in and it's bringing nothing but more shame & ridicule on the Name of Christ.I pray for the Chuch to wake up. It's seem's there is much we need to 'unlearn' as opposed to learning. And I don't believe it's appropriate (at this juncture)to say God Bless America, but rather God forgive America, especially the Church. HIServantII, D.V.Garrett.
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 09/01/05 06:22:44 PM |
Age 53, FL |
I agree with the columnist that Pat Robertson shoud not have said what he said. As evil as Chavez may be,doesn't mean that he should not have the opportunity to hear and ask Jesus Christ in his life as his personal Saviour. He needs Jesus Christ in his life. We all do. If he refuses Him in his life then we need to continue to pray for him and his family. We have all sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Romans 3:23 There are none righteous, no not one according to Romans 3:10. We are saved by Grace not of works lest any man should boast, it is a gift of God.
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 09/01/05 06:19:35 PM |
Age 53, FL |
I agree with the columnist that Pat Robertson shoud not have said what he said. As evil as Chavez may be,doesn't mean that he should not have the opportunity to hear and ask Jesus Christ in his life as his personal Saviour. He needs Jesus Christ in his life. We all do. If he refuses Him in his life then we need to continue to pray for him and his family. We have all sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Romans 3:23 There are none righteous, no not one according to Romans 3:10. We are saved by Grace not of works lest any man should boast, it is a gift of God.
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/29/05 03:59:55 PM |
Age 58, MO |
I think you need to listen to Robertson's full statement in context and not what the media said he said. It is my sense that he was calling for our State Department to return to policies that the US followed before Clinton decimated our intelligence apparatus.
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/28/05 09:39:42 AM |
Age 45, GA |
Pat Robertson's view is nothing more than a verbalization of American foreign policy and practice for the last 50 years.
Set up a dictator, use him, when he is of no more use, kill him.
Why no call for an end to the evil American policy in Venezuela and Colombia? Cocaine is big business and the CIA has been involved for many years in the production and distribution of illicit drugs. They simply eliminate the competition when necessary.
America will reap what it sows. After all, Osama bin Laden was created by America to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. When he then prohibited the further harvesting of the poppie fields in Afghanistan he was eliminated.
It is time for American Christians to wake up and smell the coffee....and the coke.
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Re: Robertson, Hitler, Chavez..what if?
| Posted On: 08/27/05 04:02:06 PM |
Age 63, MI |
I agree with Pat Robertson. Yes, I would have been for
assassination of Hitler and I am for assassination of Sadam.
Also, I would like to kill several Muslims. If we don't get
them first, they are out to get both Christians and Jews.
Their Bible(the koran) tells them to kill us.
There were many time in the Bible that people against
our Lord were killed.
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/26/05 01:42:12 PM |
Age 45, NJ |
In regard to Pat Robertsons statement:
Pr. 21:1...The Kings heart is in the hand of the Lord...he turneth it whithersoever he will.
Rom.. 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Authority is placed there by God, and He removes it. We don't take it into our own hands. Assassination was never a thought with Jesus or any of the NT apostles. We are not to play God.
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Robertson, Hitler, Chavez..what if?
| Posted On: 08/25/05 08:30:25 PM |
Age 48, MO |
If you could go back to the year 1933 and be given an oppurtunity to assassinate Hitler, would you consider it?
If twenty years from now Chavez proves to be the 21st century version of Hitler, what will you think of Robertson's remarks then?
~Steve Maxwell
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/25/05 08:29:24 PM |
Age 59, KS |
I support your position regarding the statement made by Pat Robertson. Mr. Robertson has often been a positive Christian influence in the political world, but I think this must have been a very emotional reaction to a second class, though ambitious ruler's egomaniacal efforts to draw attention to himself while appearing to increase his international influence back home.
Two brief points come to mind: 1. Conservatives, especially Christian conservatives, must be perfect when on the national stage. I know it is not fair, but it is reality. 2. For a man like this any international attention is beneficial. Treat him as if he is truely unimportant and you damage him on the world stage far more than if you threaten him.
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Re: Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/25/05 03:07:11 PM |
Age 41, IL |
Thank you for posting the letter from Pat Roberson. The context certainly does clear up some dirty muddy water! Pat could have chosen his words better,but his goal was to prevent the loss of innocent life. If we had "taken out" Hitler before six million Jews were killed we would not have been considered to be the hero's that we would have been in reality. Since the Jews weren't buried in mass graves at that point we would have been dealing with the same type of media fiasco. Hindsight is not only better but it's also bolder and braver.
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Re: Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/25/05 01:52:47 PM |
Age 43, NY |
Pat Robertson was defitnitely wrong in saying that President Hugo should be assasinated. However, we must remember there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. The article written by CWN was very well written, showing that not all Christians believe this violent commennt; yet at the same time applaud Pat Robertson for the awesome work he's done in all his years.
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Re: Re: Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/25/05 12:32:24 PM |
Age 36, GA |
War is a mechanism of defense and protection...NOT MURDER!
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/25/05 12:28:07 PM |
Age 36, GA |
Hello,
I think that you have jumped to quick to attack Robertson's statement. The main stream media certainly doesn't need any help in their attempt to slander Christianity (not saying that's the intention here). This report is all over the news, and I feel we should hold out peace for a season. Now today, Robertson has made his apology, must Christian Ministries Int. also today, have to do the same to Robertson. On the issue of an un-Christ like war tacktet, I wouldn't think that to do away with a tyrannt personnaly would be any less Christ like than war that kills thousands, including the innocent and women and children. It could be scriptural...Judges 3 gives a specific incident. Don't give place to the devil.
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/25/05 10:26:50 AM |
Age 47, GA |
I disagree with your article about Pat Robertson.
I believe the Scriptures provide numerous evidences of Prophets and Religious Leaders over Israel that have instructed Israeli government leaders to not only kill other government leaders but also to wipe out entire nations including women, children and even all the animals. I know this is very offensive to our Western sensitive mentalities and it is horribly politically incorrect today but nevertheless it is a revealed truth in Scripture that we should therefore not push aside as evil or sin. In addition if we follow church history and the great preachers of history we find many examples of preachers who have also instructed their government leaders to kill Kings, initiate wars, etc. We can find them as recent as our own American Revolution.
Before and during the American Revolution Britain considered "The Black Regiment" the most dangerous force of the colonies and of course this was implied to mean the "Preachers" in their black flowing Geneva Robes who were properly credited by Britain and history as both inciting and constantly fueling the American Revolution. Of course a lot of lives were lost but I think these preachers were right, don't you?
History documents the heavy involvement our godly preachers played in inciting the American Revolution. Renowned 19th century historian George Bancroft said it this way "The Revolution of 1776 was a Presbyterian measure. It was the natural outgrowth of the principles which the Presbyterians of the Old World planted in her sons, the English Puritans, the Scotch Covenanters, the French Huguenots, the Dutch Calvinists, and the Presbyterians of Ulster."
During the War, German mercenaries were recruited to fight for the British Empire. One of the Hessian officers, Captain Johann Heinrichs, mentions the religious aspect of the war in a letter he wrote home to Germany. The Capt. said, "Call this war, dearest friend, by whatsoever name you may, only call it not an American Revolution; it is nothing more nor less than an Irish/Scotch Presbyterian Rebellion."
Sir William Jones, who favored the Americans during the War for Independence, when speaking of the war informed the King, George III, that "This has been a Presbyterian war from the beginning as certainly as that in 1641." (the English Civil War)
One American Tory wrote back to England "I fix all the blame for these extraordinary proceedings upon the Presbyterians. They have been the chief and principal instruments in all these flaming measures. They always do and ever will act against government from that restless and turbulent anti-monarchical spirit which has always distinguished them everywhere."
But we needn't stop here, we could discuss the preachers who incited the English Civil War, John Knox's preaching which incited the execution of his Queen, and the preaching of Puritans and Anglicans for the dispelling or destruction of foreign powers as they incited wars with Catholic Spain, France and Italy when they threatened Britain's peace and sovereignty as a Protestant Nation. And of course I could go on and on but time does not permit in this forum.
In summary, I think if you reflect a little longer and carefully analyze your position in light of revealed Scripture and the recent historical importance of what I, and many others believe, God had preachers do when they called on governments to "act with the sword of Romans 13" you may find that you have to reverse your position. The issue is not whether Pat was right to call on his gov't to "act with the sword of Romans 13," because he does have that right especially as a preacher as Scripture and history plainly reveals, but the issue is whether the execution of Chavez is the correct move for the US at this time. I haven't studied Chavez or his government to know whether this is the right move now, but I think our gov't should always have this option open to them so that if the time is ever "right," in the most extreme circumstances as Scripture reveals, that they will "act with the sword of Romans 13" and execute God's justice, wrath, and vengeance as the Apostle Paul plainly and clearly reveals is their duty as God's servant to do against evil doers.
I hope that you will post this response in an effort to balance your thoughts, in the same public arena, with the thoughts of many before you in the histories of America, Britain, Scotland and Israel.
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Re: Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/25/05 12:41:29 AM |
Age 60, CA |
This post is very well said.....
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/24/05 11:21:04 PM |
Age 26, OH |
This is an excert from my blog:
http://journals.aol.com/rrickardjr/Arewelivingintheendtimes
I want to first address Pat Robertson's recent comments on the 700 Club. As I have stated in previous entries in my blog, televangelists like Robertson, Paul Crouch, Benny Hinn among others, do not speak for the majority of Christians in this country and around the world. While I may disagree with Hugo Chavez, I do not and will not condone the assassination of anybody, elected official, dictator or otherwise. For a professing Christian to do this, it not only damages his already shaky reputation, but it hurts the cause of Christians all around the world. We need preachers and evangelists to STOP trying to be politicians and focus on preaching the Word of God.
I also want to address a recent comment made about me that I am quote "lopsided idiot", simply because I believe the Bible. This simply serves to show the growing disdain for Christians in this country. You are considered an idiot, a bigot, "un-enlightened", or simply intolerant if you believe the Bible. Christians should not be discouraged by all this negativity. We need to get our ideas out in the public arena, and not relay on individuals like Robertson or Parsley to speak for us.
Additionally, I want to address the war on Terror. I believe the conflicts in both Afghanistan AND Iraq are a part of this war. I believe we went into Iraq too soon. We should have waited until we wiped out bin Laden and them and then went to Iraq and put Saddam out of power. I believe we have bit off more than we can chew by fighting in two places at once. I do not believe we are losing or will lose in Iraq or Afghanistan. We are all free to speak our mind and have our own opinions about the war, but the ideas that would bring harm to and weaken our country need to be taken with a grain of salt. No matter what you think about Bush, why we went to war, no reasonable person can think that us leaving Iraq or Afghanistan at this point would be a good thing.
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Re: Christian Ministries International and CWN.com Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Assassination Remarks
| Posted On: 08/24/05 10:36:28 PM |
Age 50, TN |
Terrorists and many leftists can say anything about our country and outrage is hardly mentioned. Yet the Media hardly blinks.
I think Pat Robertson is bringing to the front that another evil leader is out to get the U.S. and it probably is only a matter of time til he does something as terrible as the other terriorists. I was not offended at all by what Pat Robertson said.
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