Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/24/07 04:09:34 PM |
Age 30, CA |
Thank You Jesus that there is atleast one Big Christian Pastor with his head out of the sand. So sad to see all the blind responses from the "Fox Newswashed" crowd though. Please Christians pull your heads out of the sand. Lets call good, good and evil, evil. Stand up and live and vote for rightousness sake. Not for party sake or anything else. Bush, Clinton, and Bush Jr. have signed Executive Orders that take away every single one of yours and my "rights". Look them up. Bush Jr. has signed SPP and NAU behind closed doors and behind our backs. By the way he is not a king,(God has not given him the right to errod our constitutional form of Government) as it were, he is suppose to be bound by the constitution (which our founders set in place,"Don't remove the anciet land marks" but bush and other elitist have). I could go on and on. But my bother has put it plainly for you all to see, please heed.
LORD bless you all, come quickly LORD.
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Re: Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/18/07 06:43:09 PM |
Age 48, MI |
Amen!
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Re: Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/09/07 07:52:36 PM |
Age 48, TN |
Bravo, Amen, Thank You ! ! !
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Re: Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/09/07 01:12:02 PM |
Age 47, CA |
With the exception of the Bereut bombing, every attack you mention has one thing in common. ALL of them occurred after Clinton made an arrogant pronouncment that Bush 41's promise to not establish a permanent military presence in Saudi Arabia was revoked and thet we were going to stay there forever. Shortly afterward, the 1st WTC Bombing occured. The Cole was in a country where it was not welcomed. In Somalia, we got what we deserved when we arrogantly believed we have some divine right to fast rope into any neighborhood, kick in any door in the world, slam anybody to the ground, and hog tie them.How dare them fight back? The world will not submit to us nor should they.
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Re: Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/09/07 12:15:19 AM |
Age 47, CA |
We are at war? When was the last time YOU had a "Blast in Baghdad"? Easy to cheer for war when you call upon others to go over there. Where in the Bible are we called upon to take out cruel dictators? And what is cruel these days? Allowing criminals to run free to rape, rob, and kill like we do?
Who were we to declare a "No fly zone" in His nation? What goes around comes around and since WE have reserved the right to tamper in the internal affairs of other nations we will experience the same on subjects like global warming, public disarmamnet, and other issues the world would like to shove down our throats.
Defend the nation? Can you please explain how the million + men dressed like Lawrence of Arabis would be able to come over here and force us to convert? Sorry but:
1) You have no Biblical grounds for justifying the invasion of another nation and imposing our godless ways upon them.
2) You cannot explain how "The enemy" Is able to take away our freedoms.
3) You cannot expalin how the imposition of western godless decadence upon Islamic countries makes us safer. Usually, invading and occupying other nations make more terrorism, not less.
4) Our abortion rate, divorce rate, teen pregnancy rate, and other wordly passions show that we are not the "Great Christian nation" So we have hardly any moral high ground.
Fiannly, The USAF has killed more civilians than all the so called terrorist organizations combined. Somehow, cluster bombing, fire bombing, carpet bombing, or atomic bombing makes it all ok vs gassing them?
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/07/07 05:07:36 PM |
Age 31, SC |
To those who agree with Mr. Baldwin’s opinions and talking points I ask you to consider this rebuttal and challenge you to just consider these questions. Mr. Baldwin begins by saying "It gives me no pleasure to say that the George W. Bush presidency has been an absolute and dismal failure! In fact, the Bush II regime is worse than those of Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, and even Bill Clinton." I would ask how so? Nothing in this article compares any of these formers presidents’ foreign or domestic policies with any from the current administration. This is simply an authoritative statement that is baseless and has no meaning outside of Mr. Baldwin’s opinion. Mr. Baldwin goes on to say “Take away Bush's Supreme Court picks, and there is nothing left but failure, frustration, fatigue, and futility.” What exactly is the failure? Are you joining Harry Reid in this unilateral declaration of a failed war? What is the frustration, fatigue and futility? Continuing Mr. Baldwin says “Bush's obsession with spying on American citizens eclipses anything Nixon did or Clinton dreamed of doing. His Patriot Act is taken right out of the Nazi handbook, and his arrogance regarding constitutional accountability is unknown in America since at least the days of Abraham Lincoln.” What Nazi handbook and where can I buy it? When did the removal of a brutal dictator (whom gassed his own people, invaded a sovereign Kuwait, caused a brutal war which cost millions of lives in the Iran Iraq war, called repeatedly for the destruction of Israel, violated 19 UN resolutions, abided by none of the terms of Gulf war cease fire, fired at US and British war planes daily in the no fly zone) or the defense of a nation against radical unprovoked and continued imminent threat of terror become comparable to Hilters Nazi Germany. Germany’s goals included the attempt to subjugate the world to fascism, exterminate the Jewish people, and eventually causing the deaths of nearly 40 million people worldwide. Once again is this comparable to the removal of Saddam Hussein or legitimate law enforcement thats primary focus has been the protection of our nation? Readers we are at war. It is shocking to have to remind people of that and especially on this website. Where are the thousands of documented victims of the patriot act that were singled out on baseless accusations and targeted by the govt. and harassed or otherwise threatened? Mr. Baldwin produce your examples and I in fact would ask for just 10. Mr. Baldwind continues with “In addition, the war in Iraq has done more to aid and assist the militant Islamists throughout the Middle East, especially in Iran, than anything we could have done.” Once again I forgot that they didn’t hate America before the Beirut bombings, the first World trade center bombings, Embassy bombings in Kenya and Sudan, USS Cole, German night club bombings, countless other attacks on our allies, many foiled attempts(thank you patriot act) and do I have to mention because I think yes we have forgotten Sept 11th. Reader we will always be hated by Radical Islam because of our support for Israel and because of continued support for the advancement of free peoples around the world and that will only intensify in these last days. Your problem if you support the premise that Mr. Baldwin supports is not with Bush it is with God and his covenant with Israel. I could go on but I will close and ask you to consider this as you mull over these questions and assertions I have made. . We are in a struggle for the future of western civilization and the front lines I will gladly say are over there and not in our backyard. I commend our soldiers and the Iraqi civilians that sacrifice there lives daily in this struggle for liberty and the future of a nation. To any Iraqi or Afgan that may read this there are some who still hold to the fundamentals upon which this nation was formed but the line is collapsing and I urge you for your sake to grab forth the horns of freedom for we may abandon you and for that I sincerely and grievously apologize.
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Re: Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/06/07 10:13:24 AM |
Age 47, CA |
Joshua is not a good example of how we should behave as a ntion or as a Church.
Joshua was commanded to take the land Promised to Abraham and then, only after the sin of the people who dwelled in it reached full measure. Name one nation Joshua or for that matter, any Jewish King was commanded to go to war against outside the borders of the Promised land. You will find none. We are not commanded to "Liberate the world" through military force. And now, we speak of "Democracy" as though it is Biblicaly commanded. I challenge you to open your Bible and show me anywhere Democracy aka "The will of the people" is ever spoken of favorably much less called for mush less even commanded to go to war to liberate people into.
Quite to the contrary, our opostate neo con churches are sounding more and more like what Peter warned about. "Promising freedom while they themselves are slaves of depravity".
We are in no condition to "Liberate" anybody as we ourselves engage in abortion, drug use, divorce teen sex, homsexuality, and all the other vices of the world. And this is only talking about the conduct of those within the Church!
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/06/07 09:50:51 AM |
Age 28, AL |
I was surprised to find an article with this type of slant on worldview network. For the record I am not a hard-line republican and I wish another conservative party would rise up. The author’s comments do not come across as religious or politically conservative. I disagree on most of his points. I may not agree with everything the Bush administration has done, but he grossly mischaracterized it. I don’t have time to repudiate all the problems with this article. Bush has not been the best president, but he has been far from the worst.
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Re: Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/05/07 04:50:35 PM |
Age 31, CA |
Overall, I support President Bush although I do disagree with him on his weak stand on Immigration, lack of a stronger stand against terrorism and his failure to preach the Gospel publically. (Can't imagine much more hatred toward our president should he go that far)
I hope Mr. Baldwin hasn't forgotten the attack on September 11th and the countless other acts of terrorism toward our country long before then. I hope he's not secretly rooting for terrorists to conquer and prevail. Evil exists and I believe President Bush understands to a great extent, the evil we face in this troubled time. Ultimately, people are going to be held accountable to God for their own decision to either trust in or reject Christ as Lord and Savior no matter whether someone thinks President Bush is a terrible president or a great one.
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Re: Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/05/07 10:46:49 AM |
Age 47, CA |
The question goes both ways. How can YOU judge a mans heart? He claims to be Christian and yet arrogantly calls out a gospel of bombs & bullets where there is none. One cannot judge a man's heart but we can examine his fruit.
As far as "Those Stantic people" What about or very own satanic churches? Which "Flavor" of Christianity shall we bomb, blast, machine gun them into? The condom tossing baby aborting grace as an excuse to sin liberal church? The prosperity gospel church? The flop & twitch make wierd animal sounds / holy laughter church? The same sex marriage church?
Looks as though we have a plank or two in our own eye before we can talk of the spec in theirs. As far as Iraq is concerned, WE are the invaders! If you don't ant to be blown up, shot, or have your head sawed off, don't invade THEM.
What about the twin towers?
1) Name one terrorist attack that occured BEFORE Clinton arrogantly spit in the face of the Arabs, tossed out Bush 41's promise not to establish a permant presence in Saudi Arabia, and declare that we are staying there forever weather you like it or not. Answer....None!
2) Bin Laden did the twin towers, not Saddam or any opther Iraqi. Going after Bin Laden in Tora Bora was one thing, using 9-11 as an excuse to impose our homosexuality, abortion, teen sex, drugs & booze upon the Islamic world is quite another.
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Re: Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/05/07 10:35:46 AM |
Age 47, CA |
Allow ne to make some corrections:
You are right, God raises up Kings, Iraq is an example of man attemting to create a nation in God's place.
We are not a Democracy, we are a Union of states. Republic is a loose tern that does not quite fit but at least it is more accurate than democracy.
Not onoy do we have a Constitutional right to question and rebuke the President but a Christian duty to do so. If we are commanded to give such blind obedience then All of the Prophets are burning in Hell.
David did not speak out against Saul but niether did he obey his command to report to him for execution either. And what about Samuel? He violated the very thing you are preaching here. As the Church, we are the Prophets in a manner of speaking. The Lord does not need to spek directly to us because his word says all that needs to be said and since there is no Biblical call to send fourth Armies to "Liberate" the world into democracy, it is our duty to rebuke those who claim it is.
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/04/07 09:23:26 AM |
Age 52, FL |
We cannot go blindly and ignore the reality of some of the things President Bush has done. You can respect a president and his office without following everything he does. And for anyone to assume that Mr. Baldwin does not pray for Pres. Bush, well, you're showing your own hypocrisy.
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/04/07 08:19:11 AM |
Age 55, WI |
Maybe Mr Baldwin should read the book of Joshua before he declares what "Christianity" insists on. Only non-aggressive war for defense purposes only? Was that what God told Joshua? And no, turn the other cheek, in context, is for dealing individual to individual, not as a policy for national government. Romans chapter 13 spells out quite clearly the roll of national government and what our attitude should be towards government. Please Mr. Baldwin, do not presume to speak for all "Christianity".
In all actually, just as Bill Clinton is the mirror image of the liberal left, George Bush is the face of most of the religious right. Don't like what you see?
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/03/07 11:46:53 PM |
Age 25, TX |
God alone raises up kings. Sometimes He raises up kings that do other than what we would like, but remember He is sovereign. The Lord knew that this was going to happen when He appointed Mr. Bush, and despite any feelings I or anyone else might have about Mr. Bush's beliefs or actions-- remember God appointed him, and who are we to speak against the Lord's appointed? It doesn't matter that we live in a democracy, we don't have the right to speak out like we have. Look at how David treated king Saul, even though he was a wicked king, David treated him with the utmost respect. The shame of this whole country isn't that Mr. Bush has made mistakes, but that the people haven't backed him through those mistakes, in Godly fear.
Shalom
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/03/07 11:46:20 PM |
Age 25, TX |
God alone raises up kings. Sometimes He raises up kings that do other than what we would like, but remember He is sovereign. The Lord knew that this was going to happen when He appointed Mr. Bush, and despite any feelings I or anyone else might have about Mr. Bush's beliefs or actions-- remember God appointed him, and who are we to speak against the Lord's appointed? It doesn't matter that we live in a democracy, we don't have the right to speak out like we have. Look at how David treated king Saul, even though he was a wicked king, David treated him with the utmost respect. The shame of this whole country isn't that Mr. Bush has made mistakes, but that the people haven't backed him through those mistakes, in Godly fear.
Shalom
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/03/07 09:21:55 PM |
Age 48, TN |
I respect Mr. Baldwin's "right to an opinion", but I certainly don't respect his "opinion". I am a Christian who does believe President Bush has strayed from true conservative fiscal ideals, however Mr. Baldwin's arguments can be found at any run of the mill liberal blog. Mr. Baldwin failed to mention how often he prays for President Bush, I would be curious to know. Generalities are so easy to throw out there and go unchecked for this "Christian Writer". One that stood out the most was, "the neglect and even repudiation of constitutional government (by his repeated refusal to allow the Executive branch to be held accountable to congressional scrutiny or judicial oversight)". How does Mr. Bush "refuse to allow it"? Does he have some of Hitler's SS guards keeping the police from arresting him? I haven't seen them. Please screen Mr. Baldwin's future articles as closely as you will screen my e-mail. Thanks.
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/03/07 02:24:55 PM |
Age 62, TX |
Mr. Baldwin,
Who are you to judge another man's heart? How can you say that Mr. Bush is the worst example of a Christian. What is your proposal for fighting the Islamic terror that is so satanic? Will they accept the love of Jesus if we just lay down our weapons and love them? Would you be willing to go to Iraq and present yourself to these men and tell them the gospel so that they will lay down their arms and quit beheading and blowing people up? What would you do if you were President and something like the blowing up of the twin towers happened? I'm very interested in your answers.
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/03/07 10:12:32 AM |
Age 60, MO |
I agree with you on each count, Mr. Baldwin. We moved recently and became acquainted with a Christian family. It was a couple of years ago during the national election. They were adamant Bush supporters, and I was trying to convince them to support the Constitution Party candidate. I showed them articles indicating that both Bush and Kerry were members of the secret occult society called Skull and Bones. They proclaimed Bush to be a Christian. I showed them articles where Bush had invited the satanic rocker Ozzie Ozborne to the White House. They weren't fazed by these facts. Relations have been severed for over a year now because I was accused angrily of proclaiming the Gospel according to George Cancilla. It is ashamed that many of us can't seem to think for ourselves. Truely the Presidencies of the US have been a failure for many years, and the entire federal government has fallen into corruption, collusion, and many other iniquities. We must not turn our sights away from the One true Ruler, Jesus Christ. Thank you for speaking out in truth. George Cancilla
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Comment on a statement you made...
| Posted On: 07/03/07 07:55:10 AM |
Age 20, NC |
I noticed the following comment on this article:
"The Religious Right also share in this perception, as they almost universally and totally gave their allegiance to Bush."
This may have been true as late as...2 years ago (around the time both Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito were appointed), but now I'm beginning to think most of the "Religious Right" is starting to see President Bush (perhaps belatedly) as a phony.
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Re: The Worst Tragedy Of The Bush Presidency
| Posted On: 07/03/07 02:33:42 AM |
Age 50, AZ |
Amen to that.
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