Authority
| Posted On: 06/11/07 02:00:09 PM |
Age 63, OH |
Brother I do not strive with you. I simply am talking to you and that is not striving. I have no ill feelings for you. You say I think myself to important, well you are right in that statement sometimes. But don't we all struggle with that. I am thankful for God has humbled me and not without result. I am not humble enough for God is not done with me yet. By the way where do you attend church. And do you think that there is a possibility that you are wrong. Are you saying someone could be harmed by trusting in Jesus Christ Alone. Lou
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Church
| Posted On: 06/11/07 01:50:01 PM |
Age 63, OH |
I pastor a small church and attend a another small Quaker church where I am given the freedom to share. Lou
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WHAT IS PERSECUTION
| Posted On: 06/11/07 01:44:35 PM |
Age 63, OH |
My dictionary - Persecution- to punish for religious reasons. To do harm to. Persecution is an attack on ones person not their beliefs. If someone says they disagree without making a personal attack that is not persecution but disagreeing. I disagreed with you and did not attack your person. You are the one who said,"Lou, you have so much to say and it is just off center. I am afraid you are absolutely blinded by your own self-importance". You made a personal attack on me because of what I believe. Persecution has nothing to do with truth for it does not come from the Truth who is Jesus Christ. Persecution comes from the persecutor who is the Devil. Many Christians fall into his trap and persecute people for what they believe. You do not have to be right to be persecuted . When someone makes a personal attack on someone like saying to someone "blinded by your own self importance" that is persecuting someone. I never attacked your character but simply said I thought you were wrong. And now I am saying I think you are wrong by what you think persecution is. I also think you are wrong when you say I am persecuting you, for I did not. When did I make a personal attack on your character. But you did persecute me for you did make a personal attack on my character. Lou
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT JESUS IS THE WORD
| Posted On: 06/10/07 12:12:10 AM |
Age 58, VA |
Are you a member or should I say do you attend any church regularly?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT JESUS IS THE WORD
| Posted On: 06/10/07 12:08:18 AM |
Age 58, VA |
You intentionally kick against authority! That is all I can say!(I don't mean me by any means.) No one will change your mind but some might stumble because of your theology. And at this point it is pointless to strive with you any longer. It saddens me that there are those who want to be such free spirits and so independant that they undermine the basic tenents of our faith. We live in a day where not too many people even recognize that it is happening.
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Re: Re: Re: JESUS IS THE JUDGE NOT ANY MAN
| Posted On: 06/09/07 11:54:01 PM |
Age 58, VA |
Lou, you have so much to say and it is just off center. I am afraid you are absolutely blinded by your own self-importance. Plus, you failed to answer my question and it is really sad that you would not agree that sometimes we get what we could call persecution from others when it is in fact merely negative consequences to our poor behavior or should I say fleshly choices, decisions, thoughts, etc. Lou, what would you tell me if I told you that I was getting persecution from you for not agreeing with me on these issues. We can't both be being persecuted for the same issues that we disagree on. But it seems in your mind and when it comes to things you are involved in that you are the one who walks in the Spirit and you are the one who is always right. Wow! It really takes a load off when we can go through life thinking we are always right and we are the ones being persecuted. Just because you are getting opposition does not mean it is persecution for righteousness sake. Sometimes we are flat out wrong.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT JESUS IS THE WORD
| Posted On: 06/08/07 09:14:44 PM |
Age 63, OH |
The Greek word logos that is translated word would take more space than we are allowed here to discuss. But it means to THE EXPRESSION OF THE DIVINE. Logos does not mean anything that the Divine would speak or an expression or word from the Divine. But logos means an expression of the Divine. To be the Divine in a way that we humans can see with our eyes or hear or sense so as to be an expression of the being of the Divine. The Bible records the words FROM The Divine but only Jesus is an expression OF THE DIVINE. the scripture is NOT the Logos but Jesus is. I do not see how you could compare anything to Jesus who shed His blood for us. Do you agree that Jesus is The Word. Then how could you compare ANYTHING to Him. Lou
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Re: Re: JESUS IS THE JUDGE NOT ANY MAN
| Posted On: 06/08/07 08:56:34 PM |
Age 63, OH |
Mark 10:30 will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life. We are promised to be persecuted if we follow Christ. If we are not being persecuted then one could argue that we are not following Christ. Lou
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Re: Re: JESUS IS THE JUDGE NOT ANY MAN
| Posted On: 06/08/07 08:50:20 PM |
Age 63, OH |
Certainly no one could read my posts and not know that I proclaim the Lord Jesus Christ to be God Almighty. I believe that God Almighty who created everything that exists came down and by a virgin birth became a Man. He lived and was without any sin. He was hung on a cross and died and was buried and rose again on the 3rd day. Jesus has promised that anyone who confesses their sin to Him and asks Him to come into their heart and take their life and make them His servant will be forgiven and the Holy Spirit of Jesus will come and dwell in their heart and they will be saved. I believe every word of the Bible is inspired of God and I read it everyday to seek the Lord of Glory. If I do not know about the Nicaea counsel, but choose to trust in Christ instead, will He condemn me for that. I believe every word that Jesus spoke and choose to use the words Jesus used. Do you think I should be condemned for not believing the Nicaea counsel and trusting in Jesus Christ alone. As far as I can see the Nicaea counsel come up with the Trinity to confront the error that Jesus was not God. We have many cults who teach that Jesus is not God. But I believe that Jesus is God. Will you put a tombstone on my grave that says HERE LIES LOU, RUINED BECAUSE HE DID NOT BELIEVE THE NICAEA COUNSEL. Or maybe this tombstone would be more appropriate HERE LIES LOU RUINED, BECAUSE HE TRUSTED IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE. I reject no man, and have tried to treat you as a brother have I not. I do not condemn you. If you can show me where Jesus Christ taught and used this doctrine then I will repent immediately. I have the utmost respect for you, for you have contended for what you believe to be true. You have shown care and I am sure God will reward you for that. Does not iron sharpen iron. Lou
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Re: Re: Re: Re: THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT JESUS IS THE WORD
| Posted On: 06/08/07 08:19:32 PM |
Age 63, OH |
1st I am not a member of any pentecostal church. I am not against trinity teaching but do not use the term myself for I think it has led many to demote The Lord Jesus Christ from God Almighty to the little God. It has led some to believe in three God's. If you believe that Jesus is God Almighty and truly believe there is only One God then we do not have any disagreement. You have not answered my quetion about Isaiah 9:6 6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
WONDERFUL COUNSELOR, [b] Mighty God,
EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace. Do you believe this scripture, which God Almighty is talking and calls the child Jesus The Wonderful Counselor, which is the Holy Spirit. God goes on to call The child Jesus Everlasting Father. And then calls Jesus the Prince of Peace which many use as a Name for Jesus. If God Almighty calls Jesus the Holy Spirit and the Father how am I a heretic doing the same. EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURE TO ME IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. With respect and the love of a brother. Lou
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Re: JESUS IS THE JUDGE NOT ANY MAN
| Posted On: 06/08/07 06:30:35 PM |
Age 58, VA |
Lou, I didn't write Hebrews 1:3 which says about Jesus, "who being the brightness of his Glory(speaking of the Father) and the express image of His "PERSON," and upholding all things by the word of His power, when he had himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. Now does the scripture call the Father a person or what? Are you going to deny that and teach otherwise? - And teach what the bible calls heresy? Are you going to try and give it a different meaning? Like it really didin't mean person person. It meant sort of or kind of, or it was a wrong translation? Am I worshiping a book instead of Jesus when I believe what is written? No. Never! You will cause many to stumble by teaching such things.
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Re: Re: Re: THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT JESUS IS THE WORD
| Posted On: 06/08/07 01:31:42 PM |
Age 58, VA |
Wow, Lou, you strain at a nat and on top of that you are way off in your theology. You say, Jesus did not call the scriptures "the Word" but instead he referred to them as "scriptures" and I am therefore changing scriptures? I just want to say and maybe you will clarify this, but it seems to me you adhere to the teachings of the Oneness Pentecostals. I know you will correct me and say, no, I adhere to the teachings of Jesus. But I believe you would agree with Oneness Theology. Also I believe you would tell me you do not submit to any man but only to Jesus or the Holy Spirit. But I would then say, the Oneness teaching is heresy and we are to submit to Godly authority. All of us are to be accoutable to someone. I am concerned that others will be confused by your faulty teaching of the Word, the scripture, the Bible, the Commands and Commandments of Jesus.
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Re: JESUS IS THE JUDGE NOT ANY MAN
| Posted On: 06/08/07 08:43:33 AM |
Age 58, VA |
Certainly you do not believe all persecution is for righteousness sake and proves you are right! That would make things real easy for you. I guess Damas, Hymenaeus and Philetus could have said the same thing, that they were being persecuted by Paul so therefore they had to be right!
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Re: JESUS IS THE JUDGE NOT ANY MAN
| Posted On: 06/08/07 08:33:49 AM |
Age 58, VA |
I did not call you a heretic. I said that anyone who does not teach the Trinity is a heretic according to the essential tenets of the Christian Faith. In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit. The First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD established the Trinitarian Doctrine and expressly rejected any heresies. Since then, this doctrine has been stated as "three persons in one God," all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal persons. The Doctrine of The Trinity is a test of orthodoxy. Some of those who oppose the Trinity are for instance, Unitarians, Latter Day Saints, as well as those who believe in Modalism or Oneness. 1 Corinthians 11:17-19 (KJV) uses the word heretic. Heresy IS false doctrine. A heretic is not merely a person who believes false doctrine. A heretic is ALSO one, who after proper admonition and correction, CONTINUES to FORCEFULLY TEACH false doctrine. A heretic intentionally seeks to divide the body of Christ by false teaching. Paul recognized that there were divisions among the Corinthian church and that it was in part being caused by the forceful teaching of false doctrine. There were some who were purposefully causing division. Paul in his letter to the Galatians went on to define heresy as a work of the flesh. This can only mean that to be labeled a heretic, one must be PRACTICING or DOING heresy. Paul often ran into those who were in fact practicing heresy. They were forcefully causing division by teaching false doctrines while rejecting corrective admonition from others in authority. This is why Paul attempted to set them straight once and for all. If those teaching the heresy rejected the apostle Paul’s correction, Paul's instruction were quite stiff. According to Paul’s instructions to Titus, a divisive heretic was to be rejected after they twice did not heed corrective admonition.
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HOW DID GOD SPEAK TO SAMUEL
| Posted On: 06/07/07 09:32:07 AM |
Age 63, OH |
1ST we can not say how God spoke to Samuel for it could have been through Samuel's ears or through his heart or by a inner voice. But it makes no difference for no matter how God spoke Samuel did NOT know it was God. Even if a voice comes from out of nowhere and I hear it with my ears, I still have to ask God to show me that was Him, or God can make it known that it is Him, for He is able. God speaks to me in plain words , it happens daily. That does not make me crazy, for i do not choose how God speaks to me , He does. I gladly accept anyway He chooses to speak, for His words are like water in a desert. His words do not "puff me up" but humble me. The closer I come to a Holy and Pure God the more I see my sinfulness. I am among men chief of sinners and the least deserving, but God is a God of Mercy and Grace, which is proven by His speaking to me. But God has put this treasure in this clay jar so men would know that this all surpassing power comes from God and not from any man. I agree with you "do not trust in your inner voice", but trust in God. But any time a man feels spoken to he should ask God who is speaking to him and then trust in God to make it clear for God is able. For if it is God who is speaking, to ignore God is to disobey. Lou
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Re: Re: A HEART TRULY GIVEN TO GOD IS WHAT IS REQUIRED
| Posted On: 06/05/07 11:25:51 PM |
Age 63, OH |
I will try to state this as clear as I know how. I would tell any Christian who wants to know how to hear God to consider "inner voices or when they have an inner peace about something. For these could be from God. But I would never to tell anyone to trust in them. Trust only in God not the things from God. If I have a dream that is from God I should consider what God is trying to say but then trust in God and not the dream. There is a difference between trusting in inner voices and listening to inner voices that might be from God but not trusting in voices. We should read the Bible but and not distrust the Bible but not trust in our interpretation of what we read but in God. God might want to tell us that we are misunderstanding the scripture. If we are "sure" of what we think the scriptures mean then it gives God no opportunity to correct us. This was the mistake of the pharisees. I am glad that the Lord is kinder to me that most people on this website are. They accuse me of being a heretic and the cause of their brother going to hell. The day I met the Lord I did not even know His Name, But simply called out to my Creator and He saved me and filled me with His Holy Spirit. I am thankful that Jesus is my judge and no man , for if it was up to many people who profess to be Christians I would go to hell. But Jesus always shows me mercy and grace. I am always amazed at the mercy and grace that He has. The Lord has so much mercy that He has healed me at least 25 times, and this to a man who is chief among sinners. The Lord seems to like to use the foolish men of this world to confound the wise. i am among men the least deserving of His grace and mercy, but He came for the sick. I am death, lame and blind but He has not turned me away. But the greater i admit my need the more mercy and grace He has poured out on me. i can see why the church has not brought deliverance to this nation. The church in this nation has lost it's Position of leadership and given it to the government and the scientists. This is the same as what happened to Israel when Jesus came. They had lost their position of leadership to Rome. God thought Rome was better to lead Israel than the Pharisees, and who can question the wisdom of God. it seems God thinks our heathen government is better to lead this nation than the church. What a sad day for this nation. But how can God help the church when none of the leaders are wrong, but they are all following God. It was the same when Jesus came to Israel, none of the leaders were wrong. it was God who was wrong according to them. Lou
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Re: Re: A HEART TRULY GIVEN TO GOD IS WHAT IS REQUIRED
| Posted On: 06/05/07 10:32:05 PM |
Age 63, OH |
It is not up to me what i say or do. I want to preach nothing but Jesus Christ and Him crucified. i get no credit for this for Jesus compels me to preach Him and Him alone. My goal is to not write or speak my words but the words that He would have me to say. I do not preach on my own but the Spirit is the one who decides and He has proven to me that it is Him. I am open to what you say but it does not all line up with the scripture. You made the statement that the Bible is Jesus and I have not heard you repent of it. Lou
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Re: Re: THE BIBLE IS NOT JESUS
| Posted On: 06/05/07 09:43:54 PM |
Age 63, OH |
Brother I am not against you but just disagreed with some things that you said. The Bible is not Jesus. i stand by that remark . If you want to retract that remark it is fine with me. I do not have any unkind feelings toward you, and do not judge your heart for only the Lord is Judge. By the way I lost the love of my life 20 years ago and it was the hardest thing that I ever went through. It was the love of the Lord Of glory that got me through it, i am still very sad about her being gone. The Lords mercy is very severe sometimes but it was best for me, for I have learned that He is all I need. I don't think anyone should call the Bible Jesus for whatever reason. For Jesus clearly tells us that we are to put no one and nothing with Him. You do seem to realize that the Bible is not Jesus, and I am glad of that. I hope you follow the Lord with all your heart and I hope we meet in heaven. Lou
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Re: Re: THE BIBLE IS NOT JESUS
| Posted On: 06/05/07 09:19:55 PM |
Age 63, OH |
I agree with what you are saying now. It is not the Book but the Living God that communicates with you.He can communicate with us anyway He pleases, in a sermon, on the radio, in the Bible, while we are walking in the woods. If He talks with you only while you are reading the Bible, i have no problem with that for He is God. I am amazed how anyone can say they believe the Bible but then reject the very way God chose to communicate with the prophets who wrote the Bible. Lou
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Re: Re: THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT JESUS IS THE WORD
| Posted On: 06/05/07 08:48:48 PM |
Age 63, OH |
You are the one who changes the scripture. when Jesus refers to the scripture He does NOT call it the Word. He called it the scriptures. The scriptures call Jesus the Word. There is only ONE God. God's creation is not God. The scriptures are not the Word. For the Word is God and surly you do not think the Bible is God do you. The scriptures NEVER SAY TO FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES, they say to follow the Word. The Word is Jesus not the scriptures. How can you compare anything to Jesus. Do you think a Book can compare to Him. Did the Book die for you. The Book had no blood to shed for you. The sun was created by God before the Bible,but it is not eternal and not to be worshiped. We could not have physical life without the sun, but Jesus is the Creator of the sun. I do not follow the sun. Jesus is the First and the Last. The Bible is a Book beyond compare but it is not God. I will compare nothing to my Savior not even the sun or the moon or even the Bible. I am mighty thankful to Jesus for the Bible but it is The Lord of glory that I follow. You can put a tombstone on my grave if you dare, HERE LAYS LOU RUINED BECAUSE HE FOLLOWED CHRIST ALONE. Lou
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