Re: I don't follow...
| Posted On: 05/21/07 05:55:46 PM |
Age 37, NY |
Because what Coach Dave says are "comunist goals" come from a book called “The Naked Communist” by Cleon Skousen. The list of “goals” were an American Mormon’s idea of what the Communist goals were, not the communists themselves. He later wrote a book call “The Naked Capitalist”, in it he concluded that major capitalist bankers and industrialist were behind communism and fascism as a sort of front in creating a one-world government. In short, Skousen is a conspiracy nut and so is Coach Dave. Look it up yourself.
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Re: I don't follow...
| Posted On: 05/21/07 03:06:02 PM |
Age 50, MN |
There never was a document like this, a plan of 'takeover' with these ideas ever put together by the communist party. Only by a far right wing guy from the 60's who wanted to blame everything he hated on communism. That's what is inaccurate about it. Just say who wrote it and then it would be fine - say this is one American's idea of what communism's game plan is. It isn't communism that has done this to our society even if we might feel better by blaming them.
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I don't follow...
| Posted On: 05/19/07 09:53:40 PM |
Age 19, MN |
...how is this a mis-representation of Communism? I mean...I understand you aren't a pro-communist, but what is making his statements inaccuarte??
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Re: Re: Re: Communism in America?
| Posted On: 05/18/07 10:43:27 AM |
Age 50, MN |
Here's another place where there is a description of communism - especially note verses 44 & 45 from Acts 2. // Kind of flies in the face of the me first, I want to keep my stuff, don't make me pay any taxes, conservative mantra, doesn't it?// Communism is flawed because of sinful humans - but it's a closer economic system Biblically than the free enterprise system if we were honest about it!??
"42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved."
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Re: Re: Communism in America?
| Posted On: 05/17/07 03:48:22 PM |
Age 70, CO |
If the reader doesn't appreciate Skousen's analysis let him find a copy of Dr. Fred C. Schwarz' book You Can Trust The Communists (to be Communists) published by Prentiss Hall. Schwarz, a Baptist physician, might not have 45 points, but he will have plenty to ponder. In fact, one need only read Marx and Engels' Communist Manifesto to see how close both Skousen and Schwarz are to the truth of the matter. For those seriously interested in the subject of Communism one should ck out The Schwarz Report edited by David A. Noebel. It is located at schwarzreport.org ...
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Re: Re: Communism in America?
| Posted On: 05/16/07 03:00:21 PM |
Age 50, MN |
I find it very disturbing Daubenmire presents this as communism's stated goals - I'm no communist apologist - but that's just a blatant misrepresentation which I'm finding is very typical of this guy's writing. Obviously the obscuring the truth is also something he's quite 'liberal' about.
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Re: Re: Communism in America?
| Posted On: 05/16/07 02:08:26 PM |
Age 60, MO |
This from another "conspiracy nut." To not believe that there is in fact a conspiracy of international bankers and their business and political cohorts, is to delude oneself. It was in fact, capitalist money that funded Hegel and Marx in their initial planning of "communism." I use quotes around communism because what we typically brand the Soviet Union as being communist, is really misnaming the pure form of that socio, political, and economic form. What existed in Russia and Red China was much more of a fascist form of existence where only a handful of people in the ruling class dictated how the vast majority of the people could live. Ayn Rand wrote a book called "Atlas Shrugged" which depicts how a socialsit (communist) mentality can destroy a nation. In America we have about one government employee for 3 or 4 citizens. We are fast approaching that stage when one guy works and one guy watches him work, and both go home to eat. We have come too far in trusting the government to take care of everything for us. Communism is what the elite international bankers would prefer the rest of us to live under. George Cancilla
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Re: Communism in America?
| Posted On: 05/16/07 12:44:17 PM |
Age 37, NY |
The first question I had after reading the list was; whose list is this? It comes from a book called “The Naked Communist” by Cleon Skousen. The list of “goals” were an American Mormon’s idea of what the Communist goals were, not the communists themselves. He later wrote a book call “The Naked Capitalist” in it he concluded that major capitalist bankers and industrialist were behind communism and fascism as a sort of front in creating a one-world government. In short, Skousen is a conspiracy nut and so is Coach Dave. Give me a break.
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Re: Communism in America?
| Posted On: 05/15/07 02:55:11 PM |
Age 47, CA |
Communism did'nt fail. It has done it's job in the same manner a female Salmon who has laid her eggs and then withered. Modern liberalism are the hatchlings.
Gorbachev, shortly after leaving power declared that the new color of socialism is to be green. Instead of "Workers of the world unite!" The new battle cry is "Environmentalists of the world unite!"
It is easy to talk about the failure of Comunism today but being a cold war veteran I can tell you that back then, there were a lot of people claiming that the Soviets were the way of the future. Right up to the final collapse there was talk of how they were the answer to all the worlds problems.
The demise of the Soviet Union did nothing to dampen the cause, quite to the contrary.
The belief now is that the powers of the entire western world need to be directed towards picking up where the Soviet Union left off.
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