It amazes me how you always think im talking about something else
| Posted On: 03/24/07 02:48:38 PM |
Age 19, VA |
I was continuing the line of thought that we should help out mexico; my addition to the argument was that if socio/economic conditions there were better, they wouldn't need to come here looking for jobs, so the US has an interest in helping mexico make itself a more prosperous country. The original post talked about a system that they want to get out of. someone else talked about sending missionaries there to (i presume in addition to preaching) help improve the country. then some wanker said they didn't care about mexicans POV if they weren't saved. I tried to say it was about more than POV, that we have a (Mexican government) system issue here. How you thought i was saying we should adopt all of mexicos population into our system is beyond me; unless you're just reading what you want to be offended at.
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well you're partly correct...
| Posted On: 03/23/07 04:04:19 PM |
Age 19, VA |
I am in college, but thats the extent of where you are right. I am paying for it myself except for the scholarships I have. I worked throughout high school at various seasonal jobs, five in total. I also do regular volunteer work to help others, give generously to charity, and have spent a month as a helper in at a camp for highschoolers in New York. If you want more details about my jobs or the things I have done and currently do, my email address is taylor.sharp.06@cnu.edu.
All of that is beside the point, however, as argument exists absent of the speaker unless the speaker has a reason to lie. Considering I have no personal investment in immigrants coming into the country, I would hope the simple argument i offered would in no way call my credibility into question. Since you offered no actual rebuttal to my argument, I will not add anything to it, as no part of it has been called into question. Come back when you want a real debate.
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Re: Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/22/07 01:30:53 PM |
Age 28, TX |
It's easy for a person to be generous when his mommy and daddy are paying for his upkeep. Charity is always least painful if it means not having to give up anything yourself.
The more you talk, the more I speculate that you must be in college and have never held a job. Your use of the "share with everyone in the classroom" analogy is very telling--you have no other experience.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/22/07 01:25:28 PM |
Age 28, TX |
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's; render unto God that which is God's." Unless you're proposing that breaking the law, taking wrongful advantage of illegal charity, and demanding ever more preferential treatment while slandering your hosts are sacred duties that God commands the Mexicans to perform, then I would suggest that Jesus would probably not be sanctioning the illegals' "point of view."
If you consider these, however, to be legitimate conduct for Christians, remind me never to move to Minnesota--although I'll be happy to refer some "undocumented persons" to your church. Just make sure you keep the collection plate accessible and your pantry full.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/22/07 01:17:15 PM |
Age 28, TX |
It's not the point of view I care about; it's whether they're on welfare. I don't mind giving things to people in need, but there's something distinctly unchristian in them taking it by gunpoint (aka, through the operation of the IRS, filtered through the government, and then redistributed via various "entitlement" programs). The problem with illegal immigration is not the presence; it's their inevitable abuse of the system.
If, of course, this doesn't bother you, then please forward me your address, so I can send people over to your house to take all the stuff they figure you don't need--repeatedly--and live in your room. If it's good enough for those of us actually PAYING taxes, it's good enough for college kids like you.
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Re: Re: Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/20/07 03:47:57 PM |
Age 19, VA |
its not the point of view, its whether they have the social structure to supply food to their families. Thats what i care about.
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Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/20/07 03:46:16 PM |
Age 19, VA |
Its true that the builders of teh berlin wall were holding citizens inside their own system, but by keeping others out, America is building a wall to keep others inside a system. in that sense the comparison is valuable, kinda like if the world was a classroom, and america brought huge bags full of candy to to school, but would only share a few pieces with specific other classmates, definitely not mexico, sitting in the desk next to America and never having enough money at home to enjoy much candy
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Re: Re: Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/20/07 03:27:08 PM |
Age 21, MN |
Christ cares what the mexican point of view is.
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Re: Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/20/07 02:27:29 PM |
Age 28, TX |
And from an American point of view, illegal immigration begins to look less like seeking political/economic refuge and more like colonization.
Think about it: illegal immigrants cross the border by one means or another, find their ways to various "centers," and slowly but surely force the Native Americans (aka "born here") out. The area becomes Latinized, so to speak, and begins to resemble a town in Mexico--complete with, guess what, corruption! (And if you think it's just Mexicans in general congregating, then please explain why ICE raids invariably turn these "Little Mexicos" into ghost towns.)
The East Germans fleeing the Soviets SHED their culture. The Mexicans flooding the U.S. want us gringos either to embrace it or find somewhere else to be.
(Required disclaimer: I have nothing against Mexicans in general, just the ones who think that they are above the law and that they own my country. The two presidents of Mexico named in this article have said that immigration to America is a RIGHT of the Mexican people that we've no business infringing.)
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Re: Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/20/07 08:53:26 AM |
Age 43, KS |
Send the Gospel to the Mexican people, beyond that, who cares what the Mexican point of view is, I do not!
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Re: Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/20/07 08:49:53 AM |
Age 43, KS |
The US sends thousands of missionaries to Mexico to tell them of the Kingdom of God. That's the solution, it's being done and has been done for years. If the Mexican people do not accept God in Mexico, would they accept God in the US, I don't think so.
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Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/18/07 03:24:03 PM |
Age 54, NM |
In comparing the education of Mexican leaders and Soviet leaders, you seem to have the Ivy League and New York Times to the soviet universities and Pravda. Actually, I think you've got something there.
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Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/18/07 03:18:14 PM |
Age 21, MN |
not the first time i've asked this. where was the Kingdom of God in this article?~walbre@bethel.edu
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Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/18/07 02:11:11 PM |
Age 54, AL |
From the Mexican point of view the border fence is a Berlin Wall. Why? It keeps citizens in a society they want to get out of.
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Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/18/07 10:14:28 AM |
Age 59, LA |
It is refreshing to learn just how educated the "leadership" (the autocratic few, actually) in Mexico is.
After all, comparing a fence to KEEP PEOPLE IN, as opposed to a fence to KEEP PEOPLE OUT, is, by no stretch of the imagination, similar. In fact, they are polar opposites.
No wonder so many Mexicans are leaving and they remain a third world country. Look to their leadership for cues as to why Mexico is as it is - aristocratic, corrupt AND breathtakingly ignorant.
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Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/17/07 08:22:24 AM |
Age 54, KS |
I have heard this "analogy" used by those that are for the unfettered flow of people into our country from Mexico. I am one who welcomes those that come here legally and wish to be part of our great society. Too many come with here with more sinister agendas, like Reconquista. Any thinking person can readily see the stark difference between a wall to keep people in and a fence to discourage or lessen people coming in. How many of our leaders, live in gated communities to protect their life and property from those that would claim a right to it? Thank your for this article. It needs to be read nationwide.
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Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/17/07 12:33:06 AM |
Age 63, CO |
The irony of The President of Mexico calling the Border Fence comparable to the Berlin Wall, is to call Mexico East Germany, and the illegals coming here escaping from the communists who run Mexico.
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Re: Americas Berlin Wall?
| Posted On: 03/16/07 09:41:01 PM |
Age 69, TN |
It is obvious why Former Mexican President Fox and current President Calderon refer to a fence between the U.S. and Mexico as a Berlin Wall. They want to influence the thinking of the American people against any means to control immigration into the U.S. so that the flow of money from the U.S. into Mexico's economy will continue unabated. It's sad that our President seems more interested in the welfare of Mexicans than that of Americans and America itself.
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