Re: Re: Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 10/02/07 04:18:12 AM |
Age 48, KY |
The operative word in your post is power, which Christians believe comes from God and only in our weakness, meaning submission to Him and his precepts. Our culture is power-drunk and power-mad, hence the chaos and confusion, the emphasis being on assuming or usurping power, thereby strengthening the position of power. That worldview contradicts Scripture.
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Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 10/02/07 04:09:48 AM |
Age 48, KY |
I grew up in a time when "gender" as "social construct" was being force fed to every woman, everywhere. Nothing could be further from the truth -- borne out since I am raising two sons who are so different from my 2 sisters and me ever were. Denying that one's sex is unimportant to personality is dismissive on a scale that can only be described as delusional. Sex, ordained by God, obviously entails much more than genitalia.
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Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 07/25/07 11:32:37 AM |
Age 24, MO |
Wow, Candace, that is one of the very best articles I have ever read on submission. I thank God for you!
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Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 06/12/07 11:28:06 AM |
Age 31, CA |
I am writing this to the lady who submitted to her alcoholic husband. Thank you for hanging in there in those very difficult times. I was raised in a home with an alcoholic mother. So I know the feelings associated with that. But I am writing because my pastor's wife shared this past Sunday about her grandmother submitting to her alcoholic husband for years. She did it out of obedience to God, and was blessed by it. She was full of joy and peace. Even when her husband hawked her wedding ring to buy more alcohol. So, as hard as it may be to submit to your husband, whether he is drunk or sober, God will bless you.
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Re: Re: Re: Submissive is a real word in a real dictionary
| Posted On: 04/01/07 08:25:46 PM |
Age 19, AL |
You can't have it both ways. Either man and woman are equal to each other, or they are not. Semantics will not change that, and you know it.
My dog is in submission to me. We are not equal. As soon as we are equal, he is no longer submissive.
Religious women remind me of brainwashed masochists. "Oh honey, I just can't cope with these worldly decisions, you decide!"
Grow up. Oh, and I demand you respect my beliefs, just like you insist on everyone respecting yours. Or are you somehow better than everyone else?
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Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/27/07 12:50:32 PM |
Age 26, DC |
The article mentioned how women and men are equals, and yet have different roles. Ms Bure used the analogy of an army commander versus his subordinates, and that the roles of both are important. This is somewhat true -- but why do you think that an army captain is often called the soldier's "superior"? The answer is, because a low-ranking official is considered inferior to a high-ranking official, and the role of a captain is more important than that of a private.
I fear the same kinds of attitudes are being promoted here. Additionally, I fear that the chaotic description of what would occur if a wife refused to submit to her husband was inaccurate. It was the description of a child's behavior, not that of a full-grown woman. Of course no wife should pout when she doesn't get her own way, or mock her husband when she turns out to be right. Instead, two loving adults should be able to have discussions and come to mutual decisions, both eager to defer to the other's good judgement, and each sticking up for their strong convictions. Decisions are made this way all the time, and in a loving home, discussion will never lead to a good man abandoning his home to find a submissive woman, as Ms. Bure suggests.
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Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/23/07 09:34:27 AM |
Age 39, CO |
Mrs. Bure,
Thank you for your article. I completely and totally agree. I have begun doing some writing regarding submission for friends who have asked about the subject. You mentioned some of the verses, but there are so many more in the Bible. I think the one that is the scariest for women is where God says, "Your desire will be for your husband and he will RULE over you." Genesis 3:16b (NKJV) It is by design that the husband is to rule over the wife. Women are being brainwashed in our culture today to believe the opposite of that verse. Once I began to submit to my husband our relationship has been wonderful, not without it's difficulties, but wonderful. I appreciate you standing up for truth.
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Re: Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word - Despite the stereotype, the Bible clearly bans male-headship-as-slavery
| Posted On: 03/21/07 11:41:18 AM |
Age 36, IA |
AMEN!! We are each one responsible for what God has called us to in His written Word, regardless of how other people respond to His Word. Thus, when I am submitting to my husband (and honoring and respecting, also Scriptural terms), it is as to the Lord, not because the MAN "deserves" it, but because GOD commanded it. We live in a culture that screams out "it's all about me", and the Lord says, it's all about others.
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Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/15/07 03:56:17 PM |
Age 28, MD |
You wrote:
"The Christian Worldview Network is certainly skating very close to the legal limits of treating women as second-class citizens."
How so? Please give specific examples instead of merely pointing fingers.
Christianity teaches this:
"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."-Ephesians 5:28
A true Christian man strives to live up to this command. He is considerate of his wife and cares for her, loving her just as he does his own body. But perhaps the biggest thing you seem to have missed is this:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her"-Ephesians 5:25
Jesus Christ cared so much for his church that he laid down his life in a loving sacrifice to save her. Christian husbands are commanded to love their wives this much! Not that every husband will have to give up his life for his wife, but that is how deep his love for his wife should be!
Here's more:
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."-Colossians 3:19
"Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers."-1 Peter 3:7
Are you starting to get a clearer picture? God has ordained our roles in marriage, and when both partners are fulfilling our parts, marriage is a beautiful thing. It is so much easier for a man to love his wife when his wife is respecting him, and vice versa.
I am a woman, too, who will celebrate with my husband our 5 year wedding anniversary next month and I believe that Candace's article was very well done!
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Re: Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/13/07 12:41:57 PM |
Age 44, TX |
With no pessimism in my heart, i have to fully agree that sometime the so-called "christian" woman in America is more Jezebellian than those who don't even know what it means to be saved. Sorry but this is from many years of observation. It's time to repent and fall upon the mercy of God - fully.
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Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/13/07 12:36:51 PM |
Age 44, TX |
the organization called the counsel for biblical manhood/womanhoo is addressed in this article....interesting....ARE WOMEN INNOCENT VICTIMS?
by Carol Tharp Almy, M.D.
http://www.safeguardyoursoul.com/html/are_women_innocent_victims_.html
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Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/13/07 12:35:05 PM |
Age 44, TX |
ARE WOMEN INNOCENT VICTIMS?
by Carol Tharp Almy, M.D.
http://www.safeguardyoursoul.com/html/are_women_innocent_victims_.html
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Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/13/07 12:33:25 PM |
Age 44, TX |
The prescribing of roles was done by the very One who made the shape of things the way He did - intentionally. Can we deny that the woman has the role of having the baby? Could the man possibly do such? No, because the woman was made special by the LORD and part of her role is to bare children (wo-man = man with a womb). See Titus 2 for more on the role of women. The Bible addresses men and women distinctly and often (Prov. 14:1; 1 Cor. 7; Titus 2; Eph. 5:21-30, 1 Pet. 3:1-8; etc.) God's blessings to you. www.SafeGuardYourSoul.com
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Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/12/07 09:08:50 PM |
Age 19, VA |
Gender is a social construct, physical sexuality has little to no effect on personality. How can we say that because of the shape of ones genitals that a relationship must involve certain roles? people are unique, relationships are unique, this prescribing of roles is just a source of heartache and angst.
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Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/12/07 05:58:44 PM |
Age 54, WA |
For centuries, women have been controlled with burning, beheaded, sexual mutilation and crippling, for crimes as small as wearing the wrong clothing, or simply talking back.
In the United States, this is no longer the legal case. Males still attempt to control women with fear -- abuse, rape, etc. But it is not legal.
The religious leaders attempt to control women with their religions. That may be legal -- but religious groups must be observed closely to assure these leaders are not promoting repression of female citizens. That danger always exists. The Christian Worldview Network is certainly skating very close to the legal limits of treating women as second-class citizens.
Sites like Christian WorldView are a good place to go to monitor religions, and keep them from harming my rights as a woman.
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Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/09/07 04:06:54 PM |
Age 24, KY |
Good article and definitely something needed in our culture! Another GREAT book I try to get for all of my Christian friends getting married is:
Feminine Appeal: 7 Virtues of a Godly Wife and Mother, by Carolyn Mahaney
Also, check out the Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood at cbmw.org
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Re: Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/09/07 09:30:18 AM |
Age 42, IL |
Be careful when you say "most" Christian women. From these posts there are many of us who have been taught and are practicing true biblical submission (not the doormat variety) and who have husbands who are exercising true biblical leadership in the home.
One thing that Candace brought out is that the women must let her husband lead. Sadly, our society does battle these ideas strongly/consistently and as the women indicated, somehow they believe it diminishes a womens worth.
The idea of " rights" goes hand in hand with this. For a husband to give true spiritual and physical leadership, he must give up his rights (to be selfish and self oriented) and a women must give up her rights (to be selfish and self oriented) in her willingness to be a helper and not the head. Its mutual selflessness.
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Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/08/07 05:58:22 PM |
Age 39, MS |
I totally agree with what you said, but I disagree with your endorsement of Created to Be His Help Meet by Debbie Pearl. She has a lot of great, solid biblical truth, but mixed in, she adds some of her own opinions that confuse people and puts them into bondage, and even dangerous situations. She thinks that everything is up to the woman, and if anything is wrong, it is the woman's fault. Depending on the personality and situation of the reader, after reading that book, a wife may feel empowered and encouraged to manipulate their husbands, or they may feel horribly guilty for anything and everything that goes wrong in their family, because they are told that everything is up to them and their submission and behavior.
I don't have my notes that I took about the book with me, but another thing I can remember is how unimportant the children were supposed to be treated. They were basically forsaken so that the man could be pampered more.
There was one place in the book where she advised a woman to go back into a seriously life threatening situation. It turned out good in the book, but that may end up getting people killed.
Let me know if I need to get my notes and make specific page references.
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Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/08/07 03:39:39 AM |
Age 65, NE |
Excellent article. This comes from a man who has been married fourty years to a wonderful woman. This issue has never come up with us. Why? I'm not sure - could it be because we both love the Lord and love each other? The only times I can think of where we had stress is when I failed to act decisivly. When I saw that we had gone the wrong way, I did not blame her for making a wrong decision - I appologized to her for my own failure to take action. I guess what I'm saying is that what you have said is good - but there needs to be balance - that is - the husband needs to hold up his end - love his wife - and not be a wuss.
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Re: Re: Re: Submissive Is NOT a Four Letter Word
| Posted On: 03/07/07 09:36:56 PM |
Age 35, PA |
That's "clothe."
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