Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/27/07 07:11:38 AM |
Age 44, PA |
As for the worlds attitude, it's their time to celebrate sin, heathens do what is natural to them. As for the religous institutions, most have never been born again.
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The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/24/07 11:56:53 AM |
Age 41, MI |
Yes, it is good that we speak on the sin of lasciviousness and it's seeming acceptance and growth in our society, but I think you(the author of the article) needed to address the "root" of what many times causes it.
You slightly addressed divorce and the "ills/hurts" associated with it. That's a start, but you did not go far enough.
Jesus spoke not only of divorce, but He spoke just as much, if not more, about the adultery which occurs AFTER a divorce takes place when one REMARRIES. Most people in the confessing body of Christ that get divorced, end up remarrying. In other words, ADULTERY is occurring within the Body of Christ and VERY little, if anything, is ever mentioned(because the number of remarrieds are so great now, that many churches would lose their "funding" if they spoke against this sin). So we remain silent and try really hard not to speak those specific passages of scripture, lest some feel convicted and then come to pastors asking what Jesus meant.
We need to remember and take to heart that in the list of sins concerning those who will not inherit the kingdom of God is the sin of adultery. We like to think that this is only meaning those in "extra-marital" adultery. Yet, Jesus defined more kinds of adultery than that. Lust in the heart/eyes, as well as naming those who remarry while they have a living spouse.
Personally, I just don't understand the fact that we feel the need to address the sins of the UNSAVED world----those who are only living in the ways which are "natural" to them. We should instead be looking at ourselves and cleaning up our own sins so that we are believable when we say that the Lord gives us the power to overcome sin. It sure doesnt' appear that the "Body of Christ" is walking in any kind of power.
I'd like to ask: Why are we so afraid of addressing our own sins----adultery being a HUGE one, one that is destroying family upon family----marriages that GOD joined together? Why are we not addressing those marriages (adulterous) that God does NOT join together?
They (the lost---all the sexually immoral) can see the hypocrisy........why can't we?
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Re: Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/24/07 04:44:44 AM |
Age 38, OH |
Anna Nicole Smith, having ruined her life, is mouldering in a grave next to her equally dead teenage son and you, Dave, along with many others, decide that NOW would be a good time to attack her. Not content with just calling her vulgar names and blaming her for the moral decay of an entire generation of girls (your own daughters excepted of course), you've also decided to hold Smith responsibe for The Downfall of Civilization. Quite a feat for a pop icon who was far more ridiculed than she was revered.
After self-righteously trashing a dead woman, you move on to blame all women (starting with Eve no doubt) for not holding themselves to higher moral standards than men are expected to hold themselves to. Women's lib may have upset traditions that old guys like you felt comfortable with, but women are not going to give up their hardwon rights and privileges to be the moral standard bearers because "boys will be boys".
I'm not denying that we as a society have grave problems but all of the young women I know personally saw Anna Nicole for the bad example she was. There are many smart, thoughtful parents out here who are carefully raising their daughters. You paint us all with too broad of a brush.
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/20/07 05:39:24 PM |
Age 29, AK |
I opened this article with excitement. I was looking forward to reading a christian article discussing lasciviousness, it's not a word you hear spoken very often. It was in Galations 5 when I first came upon this word as a teenager. I had no idea what the word meant so I looked it up. After this I came to a decision (on my own, not with my parents guidance) that I wouldnt fool around before marriage. When I was engaged I took it a step further and we agreed to wait until the wedding to even kiss (10 months)!
I was incredibly disappointed in reading this article however! The focus of this article was to publicly slam people who made wrong choices. The only teaching in this article was that of condemnation. Condemnation towards all the women mentioned, and womens rights, fathers in America, etc. etc. Thank God for my rights as a woman! Thank God for my father! Even though he wasnt the one to instill morals in my heart. Thank God (truly) for examples of what not to do! I have made many choices in my life based on seeing what happened to those older and supposedly wiser. Because of witnessing promiscuity coupling with hurt and fear, I stayed away until finding a bible passage giving me a stronger conviction. Because of witnessing drug abuse I have never desired experimentation. I could go on but wont. I was very appalled by the repeating statement of women being equal with men, and the central focus of the article being how terrible and slutty women are these days, but no comment on the moral wrong of the men of today or the men of your own day for doing these very things. SHAME! Men are just as accountable before God as women in His eyes there is equality between the genders when he judges us for our sins and whether or not we have Christ in our life to cleanse it.
And then as I go to post my comment I see this warning
"We encourage healthy debating but will not accept feedback with personal attacks."
I have been careful to not attack you in my statements here, but I am surprised by this sites hypocritical stand to personally attack celebrities, but are afraid to take the chance of someone talking against yourselves.
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/19/07 01:07:15 PM |
Age 50, WI |
what's not to agree with? coach dave hit the nail on the head ! my question is how can i make my voice for purity heard to our young folks ? i speak to individuals , and that is right and necessary . but how can i impact a greater number of kids with my own personal story of how my sexual sins have brought death and heartache to God's precious creation.
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/18/07 07:33:42 AM |
Age 38, MN |
...and what frustrates me is the amount of time the media spends on this trash. Particularly on so called "news" programs. i have something for those people, the lives of celebreties is NOT NEWS. Most people don't care. i gave up on tv news years ago because of that.
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/17/07 03:52:14 PM |
Age 29, NY |
While I completely agree that the recent trend of "girls gone wild" in the media is disgusting and sinful, I am disappointed that the condemnation of lasciviousness is so one sided; in world where male lasciviousness has been glorified for so long (whether in locker rooms or outside of them) glorification of female lasciviousness was sure to follow eventually.
As Christians we should not allow our boys to grow into men who believe their sinful sexual behavior is in any way more acceptable to God than Anna Nicole's. Both male and female lasciviousness are equally detestable to God and should be to us, too.
My husband and I intend to make sure our sons know that even if society does not condemn male promiscuity as harshly as female promiscuity, that the Lord most certainly will.
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Re: The Glorification of ONE-SIDED Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/17/07 08:33:23 AM |
Age 50, TX |
Absolutely correct. The guys should not have received a pass as they have in this article. The point is clear, however, lasciviousness is wrong. We should wake up and gardian our children, both boys and girls.
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/17/07 02:01:18 AM |
Age 56, MO |
Man, I sure wouldn't want this guy coaching my kids.
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/17/07 12:39:48 AM |
Age 49, NJ |
It is late, I cannot comment as I will tomorrow, but I had to say, I bet ya you blame your wife when you can't find your keys......dont you?
Paris
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 10:01:34 PM |
Age 67, CA |
AT my age I have seen a lot of changes since I was a young boy in high school. The 60's was a real beginning of moral breakdown in this country. I do not believe that women are any worse in this regard than men. I believe it all has to do with the human condition (sin). None of us male or female are exempt. I think stories like the young woman who died are tragic. Another tragedy was back in the 60's with another blonde bombshell. Marilyn Monroe. It surely hasn't gotten any better in this country, only worse.
Larry Wiens
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Re: Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 08:59:01 PM |
Age 29, IA |
No, maybe it's shame on you for missing the point to the article: to call sin sin and for fathers to start doing thier jobs of shepherding their kids.
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 07:32:25 PM |
Age 43, IA |
Coach, the title of your article truly provides an adequate "state of the union" address as to the culture we live in. First, allow me to thank our Lord for your walk and stand on God's principles. Second, I would like to add that I believe that each one of us is to blame for this "Glorification of Lasciviousness". We as Americans have lost our compass and sense of direction. We feed on what is easy with a theology called "entertain me". We each need to stand up and take responsibility for where our culture has become; one believer at a time! We have left our first love; Jesus Christ. Allow me to explain...Romans 12:1-2 identifies our problem. Every one of us must be transformed by the renewing of our minds and the primary tool that God uses is His Word! As a culture, our churches are moving away from "teaching how to fish" and instead are "feeding with fish". We are each in a battle and when we attend church, we need to be taught how to use our weapons. We need to get back to expository preaching...expository self reading...expository study of God's Word so we are transformed and we live out His life through us! As we model, one life at a time, we will reveal to our children that Jesus is ALIVE and that HE IS THE WAY! This, I believe, will win our culture back to God's way of living. Not an easy road to walk with Christ and stand on conviction...yet, He never promised an easy life...just the strength to get through it and a promise that He would never leave us nor forsake us. Lord, lift up Coach to stand with love and salt to deliver your message! In Jesus Name, Amen
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 06:55:37 PM |
Age 64, FL |
So now the guys of the 70s generation are worrying about their daughters. Too bad they weren't worried back back when "Playboy" magazine came out and all us nice gals were shocked. "Aww, you gals are just jealous. You wish you looked like these cute playboy bunnies." I got up and walked out of a movie theater where the film playing was Bridgit Bardots "God Created Woman". I was laughed at by the young guys of the time.I was a stay-at-home Mom during the '60s and '70s and I must have heard this about a million times; "Why don't you do something with your life, a woman with an I.Q, of 70 can raise kids. Are you going to be a cookie baker forever? Why did you go to college if you're just going to be a stay at home wife and mother?" Meanwhile even "Christian" young men were slobbering over the new soft-porn magazines, sexy half nude women at the beach and teasing the old fashioned of us women as being prudish and behind the times. James Bond was their hero. WEll guys you reap what you sow. You got what you wanted; a world modeled after pagan Babylon. Your daughters and grandaughters dress and act like harlots. You should be down on your knees, praying for forgiveness for letting your lust destroy our society.
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 03:16:23 PM |
Age 49, HI |
Wow Coach!
I agree with 90% of what you are saying. My husband and I are raising 6 daughters that God has blessed us with. It is a constant battle to keep holiness in our family and is one of the reasons I homeschool. Even the youth groups they have been involved in barely hold any standards of holiness. Thank goodness God has kept our relationships and communication going.
You need to tread carefully when you blame this on the "equality of women" mantra. The fight to be treated according to scripture with equal RESPECT is the very thing that brought the pendulum swing this far off base. Need I remind you MEN are often the one's who lacked this respect and care for women in the first place. I am talking also about men in the CHURCH today. Tread lightly - and blame what is really is to blame...human weakness to follow anything that raises itself above God and prefers darkness to light.
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Re: Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 02:38:38 PM |
Age 39, KS |
I agree that this was an awesome article. I also have 5 boys that I am trying to teach and train to respect girls and remain pure. I homeschool and love having more control over their environment. We talk about what they need to look for in a godly, Christ-like girl. We talk about what their role will be one day to be the spiritial leaders of their households. More people need to be out there telling it how it is (and needs to be). Thanks so much. God bless, Michelle in KS
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Re: The Glorification of ONE-SIDED Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 01:11:42 PM |
Age 41, FL |
Amen Pastor
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 01:03:16 PM |
Age 41, FL |
Let us remember that unless someone has the Holy Spirit of God inside of them that sin is what will control them. We are totally depraved creatures and if God leaves someone to themselves there is no hope to be found. The emphasis of the article seems to be on women, when in reality it should be toward men. What we need are more men who are Godly like Joseph was. Men who RUN from sexual temptations. This is the most damaging sin to the body. I guess that is why it is first to be listed in Galatians 5:19 and also Ephesians 5:3. I believe women are the way they are because men...Christian men in general, are not living Godly, Holy lives and loving our wives like Christ loves the church. Let this be an example for us Fathers who have sons and daughters who are still living at home to love our wives and to teach not just our daughters but more importantly our sons to wait for God to give them a wife....a proverbs 31 woman. Also pray and teach that our sons will be Job 31 men.
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The Glorification of ONE-SIDED Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 09:12:15 AM |
Age 36, IL |
At what point is sexual immorality acceptable for men in the Bible? I agreed with most of your article, but your call over and over again that the women are now like the men betrays the real problem - all sexual immorality that is accepted is wrong. It doesn't matter if it is in the locker room, on Fox News, in homes, or in the church. Acceptance of sexual immorality is acceptance of sin.
In your article, guys get a pass because it has been accepted longer. No condemnation comes out - rather, it seems that you have called for a return to the days when the guys could have sex without any stigma, and the standard is set at no women talking about sex, but men could do what they wanted. I am sure this is not your intention, but as the father of three boys and a little girl I would not refer any of them to your article.
The problem with some women's views of sexuality and promiscuity comes from this "their just being boys" mindset. If a young man is promiscuous before marriage, he is more likely to leave that marriage (therefore perhaps leaving a daughter without a father), more likely to have an affair (therefore defiling the marriage bed even more, perhaps in front of his daughter), or not being willing to tell his daughter the right way to go, due to a perceived lack of credibility.
Thank you for writing this article, but I felt I needed to respond as a believer, pastor, and father.
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Re: The Glorification of Lasciviousness
| Posted On: 02/16/07 09:01:22 AM |
Age 55, MO |
Dave, you are right on target as usual. I add a prayer, "that the Holy Spirit will open the eyes and ears of those that read this article, and that men will start protecting their daughters again." If dads and moms truly love their daughters, then they will want their souls in heaven for eternity, as anything less is dust. And girls, no matter what your past, you can make a decision right now, to change the direction of your future, by starting a relationship with Jesus. Dave, may Jesus continue to anoint and guide your steps.
Gregory
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