Re: Re: Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 02/02/07 02:04:43 PM |
Age 29, IA |
I knew you wouldn't answer me.
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Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/31/07 08:03:39 AM |
Age 35, VA |
I used to be very judgemental about gay people until my brother "came out of the closet." Ironically, when he was 7, the kids in our youth group (of a very well known church now) called him gay. That was the first time he ever heard the word. After I met his friends, I could understand why he would want to be around people that were more like him. I didn't agree with it and my heart was grieved, but it was obvious that no "normal" people in the church or in society had any use for him. Praise God for the blood and the love of Jesus. Because we loved him and showed God's grace (not acceptance of the lifestyle but honoring him as a human being)and much prayer, he became a Christian and has been delivered from much of his effeminate mannerisms. He loves God and found a church that loves him despite his past. He has been born again, baptized and loves Jesus. I am pro life, pro family but also pro "love the sinner, not the sin." It is easy to look at others and say, I am glad I am not like that person. Be careful before it hits close to home. You may have a gay person, sex offender, adulterer, liar, gosspier in your family. Jesus paid the price for everyone, and the last time I checked, this was the crowd he hung out with the most.
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Um....
| Posted On: 01/27/07 04:36:41 PM |
Age 18, MN |
Your dichotemy between ethics and morals are problematic for several reasons: One is that Coach Dave pointed out the shorter lifespans of homosexuals. Two, even if morals were just personal, keep in mind that homosexuality was viewed as wrong a mere 50-60 years ago in general. So that argument doesn't work since now it is becoming more and more accepted. If morals are, by the way, relative, then so are ethics. Also, keep in mind that in Canada right now has made 'hate crime' laws that make it impossible for anyone to say that homosexuality is wrong openly. Is that free speech being supported? No, there's a violation of rights right there, and there are going to be attempts to try and replicate it here in the USA. You are correct in saying that AIDS does pass from more than homosexual sex (more so in immoral heterosexual sex). But that doesn't change the issue. God condemns all forms of immoral sexuality, heterosexual or homosexual in nature. And just because we can fix something doesn't give us the right to break it in the first place. Have a great day!
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Re: smoking or gay?
| Posted On: 01/27/07 04:20:51 PM |
Age 18, MN |
Why do you say that? Are you a Christian, first of all?
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Re: Re: Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/27/07 02:18:31 PM |
Age 19, VA |
we can legislate ethics, like you mention stealing, killing, etc. But morality is generally perceived to be one persons personal views. you you legislate that, you have a despot, and you are not truly free. Hence, 'freedom of religion,' you dont have religious based laws. this says nothing of the authors argument that homosexuality is a health issue, which is an attempt to make this not a moral issue. To that i would say Aids is prominent in several activities, dirty drugs, heterosexual sex, even blood to blood contact (although i think it stopped being a blood transfusion problem 15 years ago). Since the acquisition of the disease is pluralistic, attempting to quarantine it by forbidding homosexual sex is woefully inadequate, not to mention impossible to enforce. The real solution lies in the solution to every disease, namely, medicine and medical research.
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smoking or gay?
| Posted On: 01/27/07 02:12:18 PM |
Age 19, VA |
honestly, I would be fine if my kid did either, or both.
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Re: Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/26/07 06:45:37 PM |
Age 41, NJ |
We can and we do legislate morality already. Just take a look at our laws which penalizes people for stealing, lying, killing, rape, incest, and adultry. Sometimes people who don't understand how to deal with someone who needs help can be mean. I would suggest to your friend that he finds a church that is loving and will help him on his journey to living a lifestyle that glorifies God. I will be praying for you and him. You can google the following for help, Exodus international, pfox, love in action, Janet Boynes ministries, desert stream ministries, and straight talk radio.
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Re: Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/26/07 01:48:43 PM |
Age 41, NJ |
We can and do legislate morality everyday. We have laws against stealing, killing, sexual abuse, and lying, just to name a few. I'm sorry to hear about your friend's experience at church. He can find one that will help him in love to live a lifestyle that brings glory to God. Refer your friend to these ministries online that are trained to help. Check out desertstream, exodus,pfox loveinaction,realityresources, straighttalkradio. There is hope and I will be praying for you and him.
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Re: Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/25/07 09:59:22 PM |
Age 29, IA |
Where does the coach tell us to hate homosexuals in this article?
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Actually, you can...
| Posted On: 01/25/07 02:30:26 PM |
Age 18, MN |
...legistlate morality. In fact, it's impossible not too. Every law ever made reflects someone's morality, whether Christian, Muslim, Secular Humanist, Marxist, New Ager, Postmodernist, etc. For example, the 6th Commandment in Ex. 20 is "Don't steal". Well, is it crime to rob a bank? To break in a house and steal the family silver and jewelery? It certainly is. However, does this mean we should run onto the streets and scream "You sinner!" at homosexuals? No, obviously not. Jesus calls people to repentence and salvation. Homosexuals can come to Christ, just like liars, thieves, blasphemers, murderers, etc. However, no one, homosexual or not, can simply say a sinners prayer and keep on sinning. And we can't make people comfortable at the expense of truth. Homosexuality is wrong, that's stated in the Bible. In fact, what 1 Cor. 13 say? "Love...rejoices in the Truth". Are we tell the truth? No, we are to TELL the TRUTH in LOVE. The truth hurts, but the love behind is what makes people respond...God's love that is. So, like the above writer says, we need to be honest and loving, not just honest. Each of us is held accountable to his/her own sin, but also keep in mind that the loving thing to do is to help other people deal with their sin, whether through prayer (a must I should say), counseling, Bible reading (another must), etc. Anyway, have a great day! (P.S. To all readers: If something I wrote seems self-contradictory, just reply, but please don't jumpt to conclusions. Chances are I typed too fast :)
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Re: Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/25/07 12:53:51 AM |
Age 51, GA |
Excuse me, first of all, we do legislate morality, civilized society always has... Rape, stealing, murder, pedophilia, bestiality, polgymy, etc. So, yes we do legislate morality, don't mistreat your pet or animals, age restrictons, fairness, and a sundry other things ad infinitum. Morality as defined by the American Heritage dictionary - "The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct." Society decides what is right or good conduct, but the Lord God has the final authority. You don't want to abide by His rules, pay the consequences. "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans 1:27
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Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/24/07 06:43:49 PM |
Age 43, NC |
First of all we can not legislate morality. I know the Bible warns against this behavior, however being hateful is no way to try and rehabilitate gay people. I have a friend that is a gay man, he used to go to church. USED TO, being the key here. The people of the church did hateful things and pushed him out. Now how is this gonna help to convict him and make him do different. When I last spoke with him I asked him what I ask you. Will you be with me on judgement day to answer for me or will I be with you? No, we all are responsible for our own choice's. As much as I believe being gay is wrong, I don't hate the sinner only their sin. I think Christians ought to be very careful how they approach gay people and engage in conversation. I think you can be honest without being cruel. Just a bit of food for thought.
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Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/24/07 04:35:28 PM |
Age 17, VA |
If homosexuals are more promiscuous than heterosexuals, is it a surprise they've got more diseases? Correlation does not equal causation. Promiscuity and kinky sex, with your own gender or the opposite, is a health issue (yes, heterosexuals do all those things, too). I was under the impression that schools were teaching safe sex, gay and otherwise, to prevent the kids from getting these diseases and having children. The Christians will pull their kids from public schools if the teaching offends them. All the kids left are the ones who are most likely to put that safe sex teaching to use within a few years, whether their parents like it or not. So saying "would you rather the schools taught your children..." is dramatic and captivating, but not even applicable. Also, when one asks "How many people would be alive today if it were not for the scourge of AIDS?" one assumes that homosexuality is or ever was completely to blame (it even started with bestiality, and it might have been a female monkey!) and then one is free to point fingers at schools or even all liberals. It's easier to sit back and thrust our trigger-happy pointer fingers at liberals than to actually do something about the scourge of AIDS. Are there so many Africans with AIDS because they are all gay? I think not. You're right, schools are giving tips on non-Christian practices to the non-Christian children. Let's spend less time squawking to one another about those yucky gays and spend more time finding a way to reclaim our country. Yes, that is our responsibility. To quote 39 from CO, "The U.S. is falling apart and I don't think God is going to save us!" Did you hear about the guy who prayed every night for God to let him win the lottery, and finally God told him "I'll meet you halfway; how about buying a lottery ticket?"
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Re: Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/24/07 03:10:13 PM |
Age 30, KY |
I meant "an" earthly kingdom, not "and," and I should add "yet," because of course Jesus WILL set up an earthly kingdom. Didn't mean to neglect that. I also hope no one infers that I am going soft on homosexuality, because if I didn't make it clear, it IS sin, no question.
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Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/24/07 10:42:02 AM |
Age 16, NJ |
Thank you for writing this. Those statistics are indeed sobering, and I wish more people were aware of them - as a student in high school in one of the most liberal states, I hear the discussion of 'choice' nearly every day. The most popular books to read for teens often deal with love that surpasses all obstacles.. namely, being gay in a world that is 'unaccepting'. Every day I see kids my age who believe that they should be gay, or kids who believe that 'love is blind', and it breaks my heart to see how utterly lost they are. And for all the romantic aspects of this 'forbidden love', no one seems to realize that the amount of disease and pain that comes from living a deviant lifestyle is many times more the amount of short-lived pleasure that may come from 'being in "love"', or 'living on the edge'. Across America, health classes teach how to have safe sex, and nurses pass out condoms, but never do they mention that it is far easier to die from being homosexual than it is to die from being promiscuous and heterosexual.
So thank you for writing this article. I wish more people would take the time to examine this serious issue more closely, even though it is an unpleasant one. Because, after all, it's not about the choices you make - it's about the life you're throwing away. God knew what he was saying when He condemned the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/24/07 10:21:07 AM |
Age 30, KY |
Forgive the length. Paragraph breaks not allowed so I will use .... I read your article with great interest, but in the end was unable to ascertain what your preferred action should be. Should homosexuality be illegal? Or are you lobbying for some smaller, more incremental action? .... The argument is framed in America with Christians on the defensive because we live in a democracy, not a theocracy, and we seem to have trouble coming up with any other reason to ban homosexuality other than "it's sinful." This argument doesn't fly with most. .... However, in this article, the coach provides us with some statistics which prove, above and beyond "sinfulness" that homosexuality is dangerous, but what are we to do with these? If we ban homosexuality, are we to ban pre-marital sex as well? Adultery? .... How about the first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"? Of course if we try to dictate religious/spiritual issues, it becomes clear that our Constitution forbids this. Behavior issues are usually only forbidden by law when they include malice, violence, or some measure of unfairness (anti-trust laws and so forth). .... Of COURSE sin is dangerous, particularly homosexuality. But millions of people are practicing horrendously dangerous hetero sex, as well, but because they aren't behind a political movement, Christians are by and large more silent about them. But God says in His Word sin is dangerous, and the "wages of sin is death." We shouldn't be surprised. .... I would submit that instead of lobbying the government for ANYTHING, or trying to ban or change behaviors on a widespread scale, that we use our focus to evangelize each individual lost person by using the law to show them their sin, telling them of hell, then telling them of Christ and heaven if they are receptive. Remember, Christ did not set up and earthly kingdom; His kingdom is not of this world and neither is ours. We don't own it, and our change of it is going to be minimal at best. We also can't expect the unsaved to act like Christians. But if our mission is to win ALL sinners to Christ, we have a fighting chance, and we are doing the Lord's will.
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Re: Loving Homosexuals to Death
| Posted On: 01/24/07 09:45:16 AM |
Age 39, CO |
When I was working a few years ago, a lady who was gay had a Bible on her desk. She asked me if I thought being "gay" was wrong/sinful. I said, "Yes. The Bible is very clear." She asked if I thought ill of her. I said, "No, but I don't agree with lifestyle." She wasn't offended by my responses and even wanted to attend my churh. During that time I was in a Bible Study (BS). I shared my story with the BS group and asked for prayer for the girl. I was osterized! The women in the BS group thought I was judging her and not being a loving Christian! I couldn't believe it. I dropped out of the BS group. To think that a gay person thought I was loving and caring with my responses to her and to be attacked by my BS group was unbelieveable to me.
Now, I stay home fulltime and homeschool our children so they are not exposed to what you talk about in your article. We are concerned about exposing them to the accepting and tolerant attitudes regarding sinful behaviour demonstrated by others/Christians that God is so against in His Word.
There is so much hypocrisy in our country today. For instance, you have O'Donnell praising Danny Devito for being drunk on her show and blasting Paula Abdul for "supposedly being drunk" on Idol. How can a person say that one person being drunk is okay and the another person being "supposedly" drunk is not? How can you can it is not okay to be mean to people on one show, but it's okay to dishonor the President of the U.S. on another? How do you teach morals to children with inconsistent thinking such as that? What does it say about our Country that we even care about rantings of a TV personality that has no compass?
The U.S. is falling apart and I don't think God is going to save us!
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