God's Word not sufficient?
| Posted On: 04/25/08 03:23:48 PM |
Age 45, TX |
What don't we get about this "ALL things that pertain unto LIFE and godliness"??? Are we calling the Almight a liar?
1 Peter 1:2-4 reads:
"Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."
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2 Pet. 1:2-4; Ps 119
| Posted On: 04/25/08 03:20:53 PM |
Age 45, TX |
God's Word is fully sufficient along with His Holy Spirit and body. The point is that you do not need an official so-called "counselor"....the Holy Ghost is your Comforter and counselor and has given you His precious Precepts and the real body of Christ - those trust in the total sufficiency and superiority of the Word and not the misleading methods of mere men. Get in the Word beloved! Read PS 119 .. go check out pamweb.org
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Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 02/24/07 11:17:57 PM |
Age 44, TX |
go here and see the "Warning Package" on James Dobson - Check this out - www.pamweb.org/
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Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 02/24/07 11:16:10 PM |
Age 44, TX |
I understand the temptation to justify pyschology and its unproven methods etc...i attended a Bible College that went the worlds way and introduced psychology while I was attending. See Colossians 2:8-10 brother. Check this out - www.pamweb.org/
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Re: Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 02/24/07 11:14:09 PM |
Age 44, TX |
Please read these words of the One we are claiming to serve very carefully and prayfully: "He that is of God heareth Gods words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." John 8:47 Check this out - www.pamweb.org/
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Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 02/24/07 11:07:55 PM |
Age 44, TX |
Or we could ponder the motive of our own hearts for insinuating we know and understand the motives of the hearts of others....Jesus is the truth and all those who believe and communicate His Word are not necessarily doing it from wrong motives. If you think I am, please pray for me. Thanks, todd www.SafeGuardYourSoul.com
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Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 02/01/07 11:31:06 AM |
Age 40, VA |
Tom, you are speaking in a line that all people who seek out Christian Psychologists are Christians themselves, and this should dependon the Lord for their healing and return to normalcy. First, not all people who profess to be Christians are Christians. A whole 'nother topic to be left to Ray and Kirk. Look them up on this website. Second, many secular folks are referred to Christian Psychologists for help. What a great area to witness in! ...or maybe we should leave them to the Freudian, evolutionist wolves? And third, even if they are Christians, going to a Christian Psychologist for help in understanding why they can't get over their issues, do you really think that a true Christan Psychologist would stear a true Christian, or anyone for that matter, away from God? Or, not give God the credit for the healing process? Or not follow God's Word for bringing peace back to this person? I think not. Perhaps we should look inside ourselves and ask, are WE truely saved, or have we just found a soap box from which to preach our own rightiousness while using a Holy Book as our literal defense? In His Love, Frank
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Re: Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 02/01/07 11:18:32 AM |
Age 40, VA |
The Lord also tells us in His book that we do not understand certain things, Job37:5 for example. ALso when He speaks of us not being able to comprehend the things of this world, let alone the things of the Father's world. No, the Bible is not exhaustive in ALL things. So, you may want to go back and respectfully read the rest of the gentleman's letter before you spout off again. I don't mean to offend you, just to let you realize how rude what you said was. ~FVHIV~
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Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/23/07 04:23:38 PM |
Age 48, TX |
Thank you, brother/sister. That's exactly what I've been trying to tell the author in my uneducated way. It's good to have a fresh perspective from someone who has your evangelical background and has just finished studies in the field. Mr. Tomasella loves to quote scripture and question others salvation for not believing as he does. The Bible is the answer to all of our problems, but it doesn't give us specifics on many issues in life, this one included. It's easy to adopt a position and then use God's Word to try and support a view you've already developed, which seems to be what he's done.
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Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/21/07 03:45:34 AM |
Age 22, NJ |
Todd, I recently graduated as a Psychology major from a Private Christian University and have been an Evangelical Christian for my entire life. Never in the four years of study did I feel as though the material I was learning was sinful. My first hope is that you might clearly define what you are referring to when you use the word "psychology" because it encompasses many different things. Freud and Jung were psychoanalysts, who came up with theories of personality. That sort of psychology is very different from physiological psychology for example, which studies our biology and how it affects our behaviors. Much of modern psychology is just as scientifically based on the field of medicine. For example, through advances in this field, researchers have been able to provide schizophrenic patients with drugs that regulate their production of neurotransimitters and reduce the symptoms of their schizophrenia. In response to what you stated in one of your earlier posts, the intention of psychology is NOT to solve man's spiritual problems. I agree with you that Christ is our only answer to those sorts of needs. Trying to give a Scriptural defense of psychology is similar to Biblically justify being an auto mechanic. It is completely irrelevant. I think that you are asking too much of pyschology. It is simply a tool to bring healing in the lives of people. Yes, ALL healing can be traced to God, but God can use His Word, medicine, psychology, or anything else for that matter. God is all-powerful.
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Re: Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/20/07 10:47:10 PM |
Age 52, AR |
I'm not sure where you would get the idea I wouldn't use my degree in marriage and family therapy. As a pastor, that is a big part of what I do. Understanding relationships, and the workings of the mind is no different than understanding how the nervous system of other parts of the body work. The brain is the most complex organ in the human body, and just like any other part of the body, can get sick. Do you ever go to a doctor? Do you ever take medicine? Do you go to the dentist? According to the standard you hold in regards to mental health you shouldn't - after all, God doesn't need doctors or medicines. He has the power to heal. And yet, through His infinite wisdom He has chosen to endow humankind with the capacity to develop skills in these areas. I agree there is much in the field of psychology to be concerned about. But to universally condemn all psychology(including Christian psychologists) is extreme.
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Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/18/07 01:16:16 PM |
Age 40, VA |
I believe that the article's title poses the problem here. I don't believe that anyone is arguing that God is the source of Comfort. We all know that. Nor would we argue that all answers to life's problems can be found in the Bible, God's written word. He is the author of all, and thus knows what we need and has put all the answers in His book. But what about those of us who are not as well versed in the Bible and have an immediate need for assistance?
Not all Psychologists are secular in their thinking. Not all 'Christian Psychologists' are actually what they say any more than all who claim to be 'Christians' are actually Christians. There are those who study Psychology and find that it follows Biblical teachings about human behavior, and thus can trace a person's problem back to it's origin within Psychological parameters in accordance with Biblical context. To state that all Christian Psychologists are quacks is no different than saying that all Christians are hypocrates because that's what you see on T.V.
Personally, I wish that, once again, the authors of these articles would either be more specific in their accusations, or at least just point out the good in an area, so that we might learn it in order to discern it from the bad. Please stop with the blanket statements of occlusion. Remember, Love Thy Neighbor, and write about those who do good works instead of venting on groups.
I love this site, and have for at least 4 years, since my first WVW. I have also used a Christian Psychologist, and believe me, he didn't take a step without it connecting to the Bible. I just think that you were way off on this one, Todd.IMHO. YBIC,~FVHIV~
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Re: Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/17/07 11:00:08 PM |
Age 48, TX |
Todd, I appreciate your reply. And to answer your questions, yes brother, I'm ready. I was saved on June 13, 1974 at the age of 16. And, yes, praise God, I do truly know Him. I am not ashamed of Him. I publicly acknowledge Him on a regular basis. At the age of 3, I saw my father lying in a pool of blood after commiting suicide. By the grace of God seeing this did not cause any lingering effects on my life, I think in large part from my salvation experience at an early age. Don't you agree that someone with a traumatic experience at an early age could live a life of mental torment without a saving knowledge of Jesus? Why then couldn't a Christian trained in the science of how our psyche's work, be used to lead a person from what has haunted them for years and to a saving knowledge of Christ? Mental illness is a reality. Do you believe it is purely and soley caused by a deficient spiritual condition? Don't you agree there can be physical reasons such as chemical imbalances, brain anomalies, etc. that contribute to mental illness? Psychology isn't always about convicing someone it's not their fault they are the way they are. I agree that is a dark side of the discipline. But knowledge of why someone thinks the way they do can help to lead them to Christ.
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Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/17/07 01:19:07 PM |
Age 30, ND |
How about Dr. James Dobson? He's a licensed psychologist.
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Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/17/07 12:48:11 PM |
Age 44, TX |
See PsychoHeresy Awareness Ministries site: http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/sitemap.html Please get on FREE newsletter list and read warning packages and articles to gain the understanding and gist of what this doctor of doctors has to say. Martin Bobgan was a professor of psychologists for years.
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Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/17/07 11:56:03 AM |
Age 44, TX |
Christ told the woman at the well: Whosoever drinketh of this water (natural; H2O) shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. (Jn. 4:13-14) Jesus didnt tell this lady to stop drinking H2O but rather that is only satisfies her physical thirst and is needed continually, but He then tells her that He is the answer to her spiritual problems which are rooted in her sin and depravity which only Jesus can quench/solve. Yes Jesus sure is the Bread and Water of life (Jn. 4, 6). He gave it and only He can bring real solution to mans SPIRITUAL dilemmas through the blood of His cross and power of His Holy Spirit. Thats the point He said HE is our Answer for spiritual matters so that means psychology has no answers nor solutions. Thank God for foods and beverages, those mentioned and not mentioned in Scripture, yet we dont hear those who harvest/manufacture such foods and drinks claiming they are the answer to the spiritual and emotional needs of mankind as the psychological industry pretends. My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth. (Ps. 121:2) Every Word of God is pure and should never be mixed with anything else such as psychology which is leaven that will leaven (ruin, poison) the whole lump doctrinally (Gal. 5:9). Have you ever done a fresh read of Colossians 2 to see the warning of those people and philosophies which do not elevate and uphold Jesus Christ as Head of His people?
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Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/17/07 11:26:09 AM |
Age 44, TX |
Blessings and I am so sorry for what happened to you. Praise God that He used someone to give you His Precious Word in love (which is to be the work of all saints - Eph. 4:11-14). Please remember that it was the Word of God and power of the Holy Ghost that brought a measure of comfort to your life, not psychology which is merely man's attempt to understand how the physical mind works and usually ignores the spiritual side of things which is not physical. "God is love." (1 Jn. 4:7-8)
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Re: Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/17/07 11:18:12 AM |
Age 44, TX |
Thanks for praying for me Scott and I sincerely hope and pray that you my precious brother will "get a grip" on God's Word and that it gets a grip on you (Ps. 119). You may like to peruse the works of a Dr. Martin Bobgan, a professor of psychologists. He is also readily available by phone. http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/mainpage.html -todd
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Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/17/07 11:12:54 AM |
Age 44, TX |
Good point Clarke. We speak about that in alot of our articles on the ministry site. Feel free www.SafeGuardYourSoul.com
Peace brother, todd
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Re: Re: There is Nothing Christian About Psychology: God is the Source of Comfort
| Posted On: 01/17/07 11:07:03 AM |
Age 44, TX |
The LORD Almighty does not need nor did HE ask for the help of mere men in solving the core spiritual issues cause by mans fall into sin and depravity (Gen. 6:5; Jer. 17:9; Rom. 1-3). But the LORD gave us His solutions in His Holy Word and will only use men inasmuch as they administer HIS pure word and not the philosophies of mere men. So, why bother obtaining a degree in something you are not going to use if you are going to be faithful to the LORD by only administering HIS Word and not supposed understandings in the way the human mind works? Sounds like a big waste of money and time and leaves lots to be un-learned. I happen to have been to 2 Bible Colleges so I do understand. Why not abandon trusting in those things and cling only to the cross, the blood, the Word and Spirit? Either God's Word and presence (the divine Person of the Holy Spirit) is fully sufficient to supply for and bring solutions and healing to man's emotional and spiritual needs or we call Him a liar. Can't be both and if His Word is truly complete and sufficient as He plainly told us, then the methods and theories of man's philosophies and modern psychology (spawned by godless men) are debunk and useless to the true remnant saints who eagerly await the return of the Savior in this hour of great apostasy which was promised (2 Thess. 2:3). Ready or not Jesus is coming.
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