Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 06:44:22 PM |
Age 58, MA |
From Judging & Reproof
EarsToHear.net/Kingdom/judging.html
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:1
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that doesn't believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, and doesn't come to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that is truthful comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." John 3:17-21
If the church does not reprove the world of sin, of which politicians, and thus government consists, then are Christians who are called to be Ambassadors for Christ and the Kingdom of God compromising their calling?
As long as Judeo-Christians remain silent and continue to be duped by The Big Lie of separation of church and state, America's moral decline will continue right along with that silence.
The Christian's role is to be an ambassador for the Kingdom of God which Jesus has established. "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be you therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Matthew 10:16
2 Timothy 4:1 - I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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Re: Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 01:12:42 PM |
Age 24, WA |
Thank you for that 49-ON, for being honest and for standing up for righteousness. You are absolutely right in your point.
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Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 12:23:55 PM |
Age 46, MO |
Excellent!! I've nothing else to add and I certainly don't wish to delete any truth. Good job
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Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 12:02:04 PM |
Age 44, NJ |
Not only was that dead on it was timely too.
Thanks Dave!
Patrick Burwell, OnlyJesusSaves.com
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Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 12:01:44 PM |
Age 53, PA |
Thanks for your being always straightforward and saying thing as is, Coach.
"Judge not"! Doesn't it sound popular nowadays? What a predicament of this culture of death! What an irrational and double-standard type of statement!
Those who say to people "Judge not" they themselves have judged others' words, actions, and that is why they told others not to judge. Right after they tell others not to judge, they themselves have judged others' opinion or judgment as somehow wrong. Most of the time, those accusing another of judging are not interest in the TRUTH but rather in protecting their own opinions or hiding the wrongs thay may have.
Take care.
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Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 10:26:57 AM |
Age 54, PA |
I was touched by the way the abortion counselor approached the dear child who was being encouraged by her own mother to kill a tiny infant, and agree the mother's response was inappropriate. I am concerned, however, that the writer's analysis of the passage of scripture is not much better than the mother's. The critical issue in abortion is not whether the sidewalk counselor should judge anything. God has already judged it. The mother's comment was directed to the wrong person. She should have said that she rejected God's judgment on abortion. Of course, the statement Christ made was directed at human judgment, not God's. Which begs the question, who is to judge? It is God, not man. Jesus's point in the confrontation surrounding the judgment passage was the same as that he made over and over with the religious leaders of the day, that they were making the rules rather than God, and usurping His proper position and authority. To the extent we judge others, we do the same thing. What the writer suggests as proper judging is really announcing God's judgment, and that is appropriate. However, we evangelicals do have a habit of adding a lot of stuff to scripture, claiming God has a postion on things He did not see important for the Holy Spirit to announce in the biblical text. When we do this, we are making ourselves the judge, and I contend that is never appropriate. When we do so, we are then subject to the same warning Christ gave in the passage quoted. He pointed out that the human judge, to be impartial must always hold himself to the same standards to which he tries to hold others, and not just on the subjects important to him. In taking up the role of judge, he places himself at risk of judgment by God for all the things he accepts in himself which God may not accept. I would rather be a judge in nothing than to run this risk. I am content to let God be the judge. A proper response to the mother would be: "I'm sorry you feel that way about what I am trying to say. You are correct that I have no right to judge. I am not trying to judge your daughter for anything. I am merely trying to warn her that Jesus has spoken about the value of life, and that God's command not to murder the innocents applies to what she is about to do. Your daughter has made a mistake (I prefer to call it sin as God does), but the answer is not to commit another one. I beg you to consider God's judgment, and choose life as Jesus would do. He is the judge, not me."
I find the exegisis of the text lacking because it is made with the intent of justifying rather than understanding. Another example of that in the commentary is how the author handles the preference for mercy over judgment. He suggests the text implies judgment must come first before mercy can be applied. while that may be true, that is not what the text is about. The text he refers to specifies the superiority of mercy over judgment. It has more power, because it overcomes judgment. It is a similar idea to that expressed by Paul in Romans 13, where he notes that the greatest among Faith, Hope and Love is Love. He is not suggesting they must come in this order, but that Love has greater power than Faith and Hope. If you are going to explain the text, you do well to use good interpretation, instead of playing games with the text to prove your point.
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Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 08:26:46 AM |
Age 46, ON |
As a man who has personal responsibility in the murder of 2 children through abortion, I have a couple of comments regarding Dave Daubenmire's article.
First in regard to the statment that "Abortion is not a womans mistake. It is her sin."
Abortion is not just the woman's sin. It is also the sin of the man who was fornicating with her.
Secondly, the sin begins when we choose to have sex outside of God's design for sex.
Any consensual sexual act that leads to an abortion is NOT an act of love, it is an act of violence.
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Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 08:15:20 AM |
Age 63, OH |
A very good explanation of judging. Read it and keep.
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Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 08:04:24 AM |
Age 28, TX |
I do agree that we should judge sin, but isn't it possible that one can judge in a sinful manner, and yet not be hypocritical?
I'll give a personal example. I have three children and am pregnant with our fourth. My oldest is autistic and very much a handful. I look forward to go to church every Sunday, and part of that is putting my children in the nursery and spending time in worship. It is the one day a week that I get to be out of the house and see other people.
The nurseries have had staffing trouble, though. The nursery coordinator told me one Sunday that I had to work in there that morning(I'd worked every Wednesday and nearly every Sunday for the last month.) I told her that I decided I was not going to work in there for a few weeks. She insisted I work in there and told me since I have three children in the nurseries that it is my responsibility to the church and to the children to work more frequently. MORE FREQUENTLY? I already worked more then any other parent, and the other moms only had one child and all work outside the home.
She was judging wither or not I was serving God and the church and decided I was not doing my part. She was judging how many children I have (as most do.) She basically said that in my striving to do well, I was still woefully inadequate.
See, in the "same measure" she does a lot for the church. She teaches every Wednesday and many Sundays as well. She has three children and would have five if she hadn't miscarried her twins. She is also a single mom, since her husband died a year ago. She is not guilty of whatever she was accusing me of. However, her judgment was wrong. And it was very hurtful. The articles on this website that are accused of being judgmental perhaps are not hypocritical, but often slamming someone in there strive to do well, in their desire to serve God and His people.
Back to the abortion issue, this is one that is close to my heart, and I am glad that you decided to write an article on such an important topic as the permission of Jesus to judge in the right circumstances.
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Re: Who Are You To Judge?
| Posted On: 12/07/06 07:24:48 AM |
Age 44, UK |
Thanks for an excellent article. One of the mantras of today's politically correct society is, 'Who are you to judge?' What isn't recognised by those who speak these words, is that they themselves are being judgmental when they utter them!
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