Re: Re: A Biblical Basis for Women in Ministry
| Posted On: 12/18/06 07:50:26 PM |
Age 56, OR |
I think you Sir have a good handle on the issue.
You can really tell the 'commie/humanist' reactions when you DARE to mention Womens' places.
It began a while ago (this mass confusion) "Did God really say..." Etc.
Look at the history of Europe. First you demasculate the male, then you over feminate to Skin-Godesses the female. Replace Mary and Child with teen models. Encourage females to be better than males, take over the family with statutes. Give the kids an 0800 number to bribe their parents with. Shower foolishly presents on the 1.8 children that is now statutary. Allow laws (statutes again) to enable Mama & Mama fertility rights and adoption rights. Promote Male "Gay-ness" in the extreme. And of course, FROWN DARKLY on large families.
Suppose a mother was having MORE than 1.8 kids, and Father was actually present in the family. Just suppose she was homeschooling them because WORKING MOTHERS MUST leave their children in the "care" of others.
Suppose the Federal School System was disbanded entirely (this IS Constitutional), and suppose families were the way the Lord intended and women did mostly (with a FEW exceptions for obvious reason) what God designed them to do... Would we need ANY of the hair-splitting debates that crop up the way they do? Adam abdicated his right and proper place. Eve was part and parcell to it. They lost the "equality" that is moaned about all the time.
It is SO CONVENIENT for the espousers of femme doctrine to subtily refute God's order by replacing it with an "economical" construct whos sole existence was to destroy what it pretended to uphold. NAMELY, THE FAMILY. No wonder Women (and men) agonise over this role-thing incessantly. We are either, a) not objecting over the killing of the unborn, or b) deliberately refusing to bare the children God would love to bless us with. Try looking up in the Bible what the Lord Jesus thinks about children!! Forget about male/female roles... ARE you doing as Instructed by the Lord?
Pure Selfishness! The whole thing. A travesty of the Lord's design. I am so glad that the Lord IS Merciful: but we will all answer to Him. You BETCHA!
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Re: A Biblical Basis for Women in Ministry
| Posted On: 12/08/06 11:18:21 PM |
Age 51, GA |
The world is all about elevating the status of women, from fighter pilots, to maybe Hillary for President. Why not women preachers and pastors? Elevation of women in this so-called Christian society has had a severe deleterious effect on the family and marriage. Satan loves the idea of co-equals, or a uni-sex society, it interferes with God's divine order. If marriage is destroyed, then the family is destroyed, allowing for all kinds of problems, and giving the perverted idea of homosexual marriage a foothold. Jesus set the example of a servant for all of us, and if women eschew their roles, then that attitude is simply anti-Christ. These big money women's ministries are out of order. Joyce Meyers a divorced woman, whose current husband takes a back seat to her, it's frankly bizarre. Paula White's husband generally takes a back seat to her also. I recently saw Donald Trump on her program promoting a get rich book, along with his co-author. I didn't hear the name of Jesus mentioned once. Is it all about being stylish? Or just being a success in the apostate ministry business???
Let us all strive to abide in the Word. Jesus is the Word!
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Re: A Biblical Basis for Women in Ministry
| Posted On: 12/07/06 09:36:12 AM |
Age 62, FL |
The way I understand these scriptures is that women are required to exercise silence in the general worship of the body. This is not because women are inferior to men but rather because of the punishment God laid down for man and woman after the fall in the garden. I think the two things a woman can do to bring the greatest glory to God (and are probably the hardest) is to submit and be silent. I have no problem with women preaching or teaching outside the santuary and we see many examples of this in the scripture as you so noted. In fact, there are many women that could do a much better job than most men. The whole topic comes down to one of obedience to God's word. Then too, men have greatly abused these scriptures and placed women in bondage against God's word and this is wrong. We are all called to be a priesthood of believers and commanded to "go and tell".
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Re: A Biblical Basis for Women in Ministry
| Posted On: 12/07/06 01:28:16 AM |
Age 20, UN |
Even though I am a bloke, I consider myself a Strong Femenist and I must admit I was a bit skeptical after reading your article. I think it's noble to admit women have just as much of a right to be a part of Church life as men, but unfortunately I can't help but continue to see sexism in religion. The Bible has many, many, many more examples of sexism that the ones quoted which really makes me uneasy. It's easy to see that men were responsible for the creation of religious faiths around the world; almost every prophet, messenger, God, decipal, student, and so forth are men. Women and men are equals, and this religious discrepancy is disturbing and speaks of the true reasons for the existance of religion. I'm just frankly surprised and dismayed that many women still don't see what a raw deal they're getting and yet they still revel in it. I guess absolute religious faith is a powerful drug! Thank you - ScienceBoy
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Re: A Biblical Basis for Women in Ministry
| Posted On: 12/06/06 11:16:10 AM |
Age 28, PA |
Your article seemed a little ambiguous to me. What do you actually believe the role of women in ministry is? I fully agree that women are not obeying the mandate in Titus to teach the younger women but to fufil that mandate does not require one to be a Paula White or even Kay Arthur. People learn best by seeing these principles in action not just being told about it. So the Titus mandate can best be lived out on the one on one level and in small groups of ladies in local churches. Your definition of ministry says alot about what you believe as well. There is the more general definition which is refering to all Christians who minister to others and then there is the more specific reference to people in authority and most of the time paid positions. So which one are you refering to? All Christians should minister to one another but we cannot ignore the scripture that says women are not to have authority over men. This is refering to taking positions of leadership like Pastor, Elder, Teacher (of mixed groups), or administrator (if you have power over men). There is absolutely nothing wrong with women teaching other women and children (that is when they would be praying or prophesying in the church). It is when they begin to step out of their God-given roles that "ministry" becomes an issue for women.
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