Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/21/06 09:39:34 PM |
Age 40, IL |
Sorry, "Age 38 PA" but you must be blind to have had both Swan and Santorum available, and yet you threw away your vote to Mickey and Goofy.
You are the reason more conservative Christian men do not successfully run for office at that level.
You have no one to blame but yourself when you end up with Rendell and Casey, who even you cannot possibly believe are acceptable, let alone "more conservative" choices.
People, wake up. It is not often truly a choice of "the lesser of two evils." It is a choice of DIRECTION. Either "more" conservative, or else "more" liberal. Most good candidates, including Rick Santorum, may not be saints, but they ARE good men who deserve support; and you cannot escape the fact that you must choose from among the alternatives presented to you. You have one God-given vote, and it is your responsibility to use it wisely.
When we support the candidate who holds a worldview closest to Christ, we eventually get the opportunity to vote for others.
As for "coach," although your point about the Republican Party being less-than-Christian as well as less-than-Conservative is valid, the Republicans themselves just learned that lesson the hard way. They had the numbers, if never a conservative majority, and they failed. Failed to define life as required by Roe v. Wade. Failed to eliminate the unconstitutional filibuster. Failed to simply pass a resolution authorizing the military to block the border (not act as police, just stop the invasion) - one constitutional use of a standing army. Failed to privatize Social Security. Failed to permanently cut taxes or gut the tax code in favor of a sales tax instead. Failed to pass the marriage amendment out to the states for ratification. Failed to confirm dozens of judges. Failed, failed, failed, and now they've been held accountable. Failed to immediately setup permanent military bases in Iraq like we did in Japan, Germany, and Italy, and tell the cut-and-run idiots to take a hike, we're there to make sure Islam behaves until the day we can educate them all to know better.
But what did we get instead? Pelosi?
I actually listen to "conservative talk radio" and can tell you that it is quite obvious to me that you do not. You apparently listen to your own hype and believe you are a lone voice trying to criticize Bush and the Republicans, while ignoring the rampant criticism leveled at them repeatedly and daily by Boortz, Rush, O'Reilly, and even Hannity (Republican apologist that he may often be, though even he gets on them about spending, immigration, family issues, and lack of backbone).
Many of us agree with your perspective, but you can't "blame" the effect of Republican failures and result of liberal MASS media on the few conservative talk radio hosts who are trying their best, like you, to wake up America.
Just keep it up, and remember, since it is a change of heart that changes society: Conservatives can't win the culture by elections, but we can lose it.
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/19/06 01:29:41 AM |
Age 40, MS |
I guess the Coach has never listened to the Culture Warrior rail against the administration regarding the border. I can recall many instances of talk-radio hosts criticizing Bush on a whole host of issues. Maybe he doesn't recall how important talk radio has been in the past, in the early 90s. I think that these hosts by and large are anti-big gov't and more pro free-market and individual responsibility and not necessarily GOP stooges....these sympathies, until recently, meshed better with the Repubs than the Dems. That being said, I agree with some of what he says about Christians having Mr. Bush and the GOP as almost an idol, as if getting the right judicial appointments, etc., would somehow usher in the kingdom of God. Well, I have been there, too, thru the Reagan Revolution, Contract with America, etc., and I can understand some of the Coach's frustration with the GOP. Some people seem like they want to idolize GWB just because he says he is a Christian, while conveniently ignoring the pluralistic/inclusivistic statements that the man has made. In the minds of some Chritians, the guy seemingly can do no wrong. I understand the frustration with having to go with the lesser of two evils. I know there are some Democrats(now sure I'd say most, though) that do have conservative values, like some African-Americans (who often are led to believe that only Democrats will look out for them) or others, esp in the South and midwest who vote Democrat because their daddy did and all that. It shows when Democrats who run in middle America often sound quite conservative. I can imagine the day when those who call themselves Christian(and it is a large number of ppl) would break away and vote Constitution party for example. I understand this could potentially be a huge number of voters (a portion of which would include those calling themselves Democrats). How to do all this and break out of the two-party quagmire is any one's guess. Christians have rarely even been able to agree on the most fundamental doctrines essential to the faith in the past, why expect them to unify and agree now?
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/19/06 01:29:18 AM |
Age 40, MS |
I guess the Coach has never listened to the Culture Warrior rail against the administration regarding the border. I can recall many instances of talk-radio hosts criticizing Bush on a whole host of issues. Maybe he doesn't recall how important talk radio has been in the past, in the early 90s. I think that these hosts by and large are anti-big gov't and more pro free-market and individual responsibility and not necessarily GOP stooges....these sympathies, until recently, meshed better with the Repubs than the Dems. That being said, I agree with some of what he says about Christians having Mr. Bush and the GOP as almost an idol, as if getting the right judicial appointments, etc., would somehow usher in the kingdom of God. Well, I have been there, too, thru the Reagan Revolution, Contract with America, etc., and I can understand some of the Coach's frustration with the GOP. Some people seem like they want to idolize GWB just because he says he is a Christian, while conveniently ignoring the pluralistic/inclusivistic statements that the man has made. In the minds of some Chritians, the guy seemingly can do no wrong. I understand the frustration with having to go with the lesser of two evils. I know there are some Democrats(now sure I'd say most, though) that do have conservative values, like some African-Americans (who often are led to believe that only Democrats will look out for them) or others, esp in the South and midwest who vote Democrat because their daddy did and all that. It shows when Democrats who run in middle America often sound quite conservative. I can imagine the day when those who call themselves Christian(and it is a large number of ppl) would break away and vote Constitution party for example. I understand this could potentially be a huge number of voters (a portion of which would include those calling themselves Democrats). How to do all this and break out of the two-party quagmire is any one's guess. Christians have rarely even been able to agree on the most fundamental doctrines essential to the faith in the past, why expect them to unify and agree now?
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No, It's the Rapture Gnostics' Fault
| Posted On: 11/18/06 12:07:38 PM |
Age 47, MO |
I agree in part with this article. I have listened to a lot of talk radio, especially while driving or exercising, and I will agree that the conservative talk-show pundits over-promote Republican politicians. I honestly believe that they are overcompensating for the so-called mainstream media and their extreme liberal, pro-death, pro-perversion, pro-Democrat slant. Moreover, there are still far too many Rapture Gnostics in the Christian media who fleece a lot of money and teach too many Christians to sit at home on their left behinds on every election day. As for Michael Savage, he is not a professin Christian, although he does have a Dave Hunt-style arrogance in the way he bashes the GOP! I am actually glad that so many corrupt Republicans lost this time. Unfortunately, there were a lot of collateral damage losses in the recent election: Defeats of pro-life Republican candidates with integrity, such as Jim Talent, Michael Steele, Mike Bouchard, Mark Kennedy, Rick Santorum, Jim Ryun, Tim Walberg, Phill Kline, Jim Barnett, Ken Blackwell, and Lynn Swann; and life issues losses such as the defeats of abortion restrictions in California, Oregon, and South Dakota, the defeat of a marriage-protection amendment in Arizona, and the passage of the clone-and-kill bill in Missouri. I blame both the MSM and the Rapture Gnostics for that!
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/17/06 03:08:59 AM |
Age 42, KY |
COACH, you certain find it easy to attack and blame everyone but who is really at fault for the 06 election results. Oh I am sorry, you are happy with the results! So let's see what there is to be happy about! We have put in power the party that wants to: remove YHVH (that is 'God' in case you are wondering Coach) public in general and make it a hate crime to preach against perversions; the party that wants to tax everyone into the poor house; the party that promotes all sort of perversions; the party who endorses the murder unborn children because the might inconvenience the mother and/or father; the party that wants to appease and even give Constitutional & Bill of Rights protection to the Islamic terrorist; and the party who wants to feed Israel to the Islamic Dogs! Yep, you and the rest of the so called Democrat Christian - a true example of an oxymoron, if there ever was one, should be proud of who you elected! I hate to break it to you 'Coach' but it isn't Talk Radio's fault at all, that the Republican's lost this last election. The main reason for the defeat is the fact that far to many of the republicans have taken on the democrats liberal mantle and tried to appease everyone, just for the vote that keeps them in office. The fact is most of the democrats that won, ran as moderate or even conservative democrats! If conservatism had truly lost, then why didn't more liberal democrats run!?! Only in areas that are truly liberal to begin with, did liberal democrats run based on their liberal views and win. Now back to Rush, Sean and the rest; they are very quick to criticize the President and Republican, especially the republicans that abandon their conservative principles. The simple reason why there are so many 'conservative' talk radio shows, is because that is what folks want to hear! They are tired of being lied to by the Main-stream media who claims to be unbiased, but always slants their stories to liberal points of view and human secularist ideology. Rush, Sean, Glen and Bill, just to name a few, happily tell you they are conservatives and that they believe in conservatism, as well as God, and as you pointed out, even Rush gives God the credit for his success, "Talent on loan from God!" Any of your liberal brethren give God credit for anything other than causing all the problems of the world! Name for me the last time you hear one of the conservative talk show host support: abortion, sexual perversion, removing YHVH and Yeshua from the public completely, or activist judges legislating from the bench! No one on Talk Radio, has ever treated Bush like he was untouchable or beyond reproach, that is simply a lie. Another thing that amazes me is, I know many democrats and a few republicans who treat elections like ball games, and they never look beyond the party affiliation as to determine who they will vote for. Their grandparents where democrat, their parents were democrats and by golly they are democrats! If you put anything ahead of YHVH and Yeshua, then you have messed up! I am a Christian first and foremost, and that is what determines who I vote for. My votes for candidates are influenced by how the candidates regard YHVH and Yeshua first, the Constitution and Bill of Rights second, and the Security of this country 3rd! Coach, I found your article chock full of jealousy, contempt and bitterness over your failed show, as well as a bit too much conspiracy insinuations. Your show failed because no one wanted to hear the stuff you were peddling, and instead of taking a serious look at what you might be doing wrong, you start looking for conspiracies to explain why you failed. Of course, you forget that scriptures tells us and the majority of the world will reject the message of the Messiah's promise of salvation. No sir, Coach, you can't lay the troubles this country faces at the feet of Talk Radio, for it rest squarely on the failure of folks like yourself, who profess to be Christian leaders, but who pander to whatever gets the most attendance in Church, even at the expense of the Truth!
JMHO
Mark
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/17/06 12:52:11 AM |
Age 30, WA |
Now, i am not american, but please dont patronise me by telling me therefore, that I 'dont understand' the system. This article is all well and good, but as some of the respondents have pointed out, WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES????? You have two major parties. One that is EXTREMELY liberal, Godless and not ashamed to say so. One that is also imperfect, but at least the less of the 2 evils. By making Christians out to be dumb voters who just vote republican because they are brain washed by talk shows to do so, is rather a condescenind view. Christian come in both dumb and bright varieties, and some, unlike the writer of this article, are realistic about the current state of affairs, and recognise that the current executive is FAR FAR better than John Kerry, and his, YES SLEAZY opinions and inclinations.
And lastly, OH MY WORD, there is FAR FAR FAR FAR more leftist media and louder liberal voices overcrowding the airwaves (CNN...). For every one replican-supporting station, there are HUNDREDS of anti-Christian, pro democrat ones, so please, dont try to stifle the 0.000001% market share that common sense sometimes gets.
Feel free to examine your own opinions and aversions to the Republican party and try to be honest about the source of them. A socialist based education? Indiscriminate reaading of popular literature? Try to be gracious, OK?
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/15/06 12:03:53 PM |
Age 56, KS |
Agree 100%! Am glad that the Republicans lost in the elections. As I told my wife and daughters, God install and uninstall kings and princes in this world. He still calls the shots and we believers should never forget that! My hope is never on man but on Him who supremely rules with fairness and mercy.
My only struggle is this: why are there believers that think that the conservatives represent the values of the faithful? What did say about the Pharisees and rulers of his time? Do we have a small god that could not much to the call of the age? Let God be true and all men be liars!
Our constituency should demand from each and every public servant total accountability of their speeches and actions! It is been long overdue!
Keep up the good work, brother!
JRRojero
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Picture is bigger than that
| Posted On: 11/15/06 11:18:44 AM |
Age 18, MN |
I'd like to first start by saying that I don't listen to talk radio, but my dad, on occasion, does. He commented to me before the elections (back in the spring and summer I think) that these conservative talk show hosts did criticize Bush quite often on govt. spending etc. and this was a station that had Rush, Sean, etc. (Side point: During election season, it's usually still obvious that many GOP leaders tend to be conservative, so they would get that sort of support.) Now, I must admit that there are some serious problems with the Republican party, but they are (from what I can see right now) making changes in leadership. I suggest that the Republican Party may be suffering because the culture is anti-Christian in general. According to Barna, less than 10% of Christian youth (my age basically) believe in absolute truth. Now, if these are our Christian kids (or, in my case, comrades) growing up, how do you think they'll vote? If they've grown up and become politicians and cultural leaders, how do you think they'll reflect the culture, regardless of party? Most universities today teach anti-Christian beliefs. I suggest that the parties in America simply reflect the culture at large. The Democrats (in general, not necessarily on the specific) embrace a humanistic type mindset. The Republicans tend to support (in general) Biblical positions on issues. Are we to expect the GOP to be immune to our anti-Christian culture? We shouldn't if we do. Are they perfect? No. Can they fail us? Yes. Should I put my trust in a political party or person? No. Our trust should be and always be Jesus. HE'S in charge of nations, kings, and powers. Keep in mind that many good guys in the Bible (with the exception of God of course) faltered, sinned, and blew it big time. Did God correct them? Yes, whether directly (such as a plauge or whirlwind or whatever), or indirectly (Paul chewing Peter out in Galatians). Maybe we should be praying and doing that in the culture...
I think I know where the coach is going with this. He had suggested this before prior to the elections that Jim Dobson and others break off from the GOP and try and build a war chest for '08 presidency and nominate a good, strong, Christian leader as an independent (if I'm wrong, I awkwardly apologize for misreading the Coach). Do I equate GOP=Christian? NO! But I think that if we are to expect the party that supposed to hold up our values and yet see how the church has, in many ways, failed to do it's duty, then we're missing the point. We can't expect high-quality leadership in either major party as long as Christians aren't waking up and engaging the culture (and that means not just voting for the lesser of two evils, it means discipleship, it means evangelism, it means worldview, etc.) We should be challenging the the culture in our own neighborhoods, our own cities, our own churches, etc. Both parties have sinners, but I still would suggest that in many cases, the GOP still has some backbone left.
Final point: David Barton has pointed out that many times, our leaders in Congress don't usually get letters or e-mails concerning various bills. In fact, one congressman said that if he recieved 50 letters, he knew it was a hot issue. Point taken: liberal interest groups will gladly send their message to Washington, so leaders that don't have as much backbone are more likely to base their vote on the letters they received. Only leaders that have backbone (stand up for Biblical principles) or are totally ornery (support liberal ideas whole-heartedly) are going to ignore or be less likely to give in. Regardless of your favorite party, regardless of your representative and senator's party, e-mail and put pressure on them. If they don't give in, make this known for the next election. And ultimately pray for this nation, it's leaders, and the church.
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/15/06 10:23:56 AM |
Age 56, TX |
I agree with one point in your article. Jesus is neither a Republican nor Democrat. However, to lump all conservative radio hosts under one heading is most unfair. Whether you agree with their message or not, conservative talk radio provides us with some truth and perspective that will never appear on the major television networks. I've heard Hannity, and Rush, and others, come down hard on Republicans for failing to live up to their conservative roots. I've heard them criticize the president for mishandling many matters. I truly don't see them as "cheerleaders" for the Republican party. I see them as warriors against the socialistic, misguided, ungodly ideaology of their Democrat counter parts.
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 09:35:26 PM |
Age 44, KY |
Go Coach Go! I have tried to warn my fellow Christian brothers and sisters for several years. Thanks for exposing the claque.
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Re: Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 04:48:15 PM |
Age 37, AR |
I believe we have entered an arena where we have to decide what we all truely are. We have all been told that if we are to be good Christians then we must also call ourselves Republicans or when that label doesn't fit anymore then we should adhere ourselves to the Democrat label.
The fact of the matter is that we should quit trying to figure out what label the good Christians are wearing this year and learn that to seperate our religious beliefs from our political beliefs might help us all from being dumped into the same political basket.
Quite frankly there is no political party which caters to my political beliefs so I am forced to vote for the individual who will help mold the nation into a country where I want my children to raise their children. We all have conflicts between our beliefs and what we are called to do, I am a military man and have been for 15 years, I am proud of my country and hope to live past her growing pains but I do not want to be told that because I am a Christian I have to be a certian party member.
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 02:22:16 PM |
Age 38, PA |
Although I don't like the attitude with most of your articles (this one is no different), this article makes a great case against tying the name of Jesus to a political party that is more worried about political power than spiritual renewal. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils has and will continue to get us evil.
Many posters have made a great observation, Dave didn't make any real, concrete answers known. That is the point. Jesus wasn't a politician, our job as Xians is not to be worried about politics in order to change people's minds and it doesn't work from the top-down approach (changing people's hearts). I voted for Mickey and Goofy here in PA because as an independant, there was nobody worth voting in the govenor's race (Rendell against Lynn Swan) nor Senate (Casey vs Santorum). We should be voting for good (as much as good can be applied to humans and politicians)candidates, not voting out of fear of the "other side" (whatever side that may be). God has it all in control, the people in power are there at God's granting or placing (Romans 13) whether wicked or righteous. Our job is to witness Jesus as the king and proclaim the year of the lord's favor (Isaiah 61). Let's major on the majors.
Jim
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 12:46:54 PM |
Age 54, MN |
In my own evolution in Christ I have come to conclude that all the political battles are a smokescreen for a larger spiritual battle. While I believe the Republicans may hold more of the moral high ground, they certainly do not hold all of it. Being a Christian conservative, I am often presumed Republican. At one time this may have been true, but I have seen what my party has become and I am more convinced than ever that men in power cannot avoid the seductions of the office. So, where does the common man turn? Well, I still enjoy talk radio because it tickles my brain. But, you are right in assessing that too many of talk radio's "giants" have become cheerleaders for the Republican party. Instead, I am listening to more and more music these days. And, I am learning to read a little more of Scripture each day to fill the void. Talk radio and its incipient stone-throwing has become predictable. Yet, it can still be illuminating! I will not give it up entirely, but I cannot accept it as a steady diet anymore. Too many empty calories.
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 12:38:25 PM |
Age 48, VA |
This article seems to be a mixed bag for me. I agree that the Republicans (not "conservatives", they are not the same) have not kept their promises of smaller governent, lower taxes, etc. I guess what bothered me about this article was the "conspiracy theory" tone that pervaded it. Except for his references to God and Christianity, the coach was sounding like a communist. Does he believe-like a disturbing number of people-that the Bush Administration orchestrated 9/11?
There is soeone in control of everything-GOD. The devil may be using humans to manpulate things to his own desires, but God is in charge. Maybe the coach needs to remind himself of that.
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 10:44:19 AM |
Age 56, OK |
I was told over and over that if you didn't like what was on TV you should change the channel or just turn the contraption off. Okay, I did that. Very little TV garbage gets in my head. As Groucho Marx said, "Television is very educational. When my wife turns on the TV, I go into another room and read a book."
Dave, fret not. Turn to Disney Radio, symphonic programming, or get a good book to read. Stop listening to what irritates you so much.
But here is my take on conservative talk radio: their "defense of Republicans" was actually a whole lot more exposing and interpreting the lies and distortions and dirty tricks of desperate political power brokers.
Dave, I am so happy that one of my spiritual gifts is discernment. I have listened to the same people as you, and I know by the power of the Holy Spirit that they are not as misdirected as you think. Yes, there's problems now and then. They're human, too. Just like you and me. As with anyone else that rattles your cage, pray for them.
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 10:43:51 AM |
Age 68, MN |
I think you are being a bit hard on the conservative radio hosts. And as far as the Republicans, I certainly do not agree with them all of the time; but I think that they are the lesser of two evils at this time. We did get two pro-life judges out of them, didn't we???
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 10:29:27 AM |
Age 30, AR |
Some of what Dave Daubenmire says may be true, however, the way he says it certainly turns me off from ever wanting to read his articles again. He seems to have a lot of bitterness and jealousy that come out in his articles. He also seems to have a bit of martyr syndrome ('no one wants to hear the truth I tell them!') and doesn't seem to realize that it is _how_ he is saying things, not what he is saying, that is turning people like me off. Hey, do you like to sit around and listen to a friend grip about how wronged they are or give unrealistic (though ideal) solutions to problems and then expect your whole-hearted support? I don't, so then would I listen to such things from a stranger?
Sir, change your attitude, and people will be more receptive to your message. No more 'hope the gate hits him in the butt on the way out' even if that's how you feel.
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 08:53:59 AM |
Age 52, VA |
After reading this article,I'm still trying to figure out what the Coach recommends. He seems long on complaints and short on solutions. He blames the state of the Nation on conservative talk show hosts? Since I am not familiar with the Coach, perhaps I do not fully understand where he is coming from. Talk radio is here to stay, it's ingrained in our culture. If the Coach is blaming the "rotting culture" on conservative talk shows, I wholehearted disagree. He also states most democrats hold conservative values. Is this a joke? Perhaps his definiton of conservative values is different from mine. Maybe he knows different democrats from the ones I know. 100% of the democrats I know want larger government in the form of solcialized medicine, more welfare for those unwilling to work, more "safe-sex" education with more free condoms available just "in case you need one." 100% of the democrats I know did not favor individual state's constitutional amendment protecting traditional marriage. All of the democrats I happen to know, are in favor of fetal stem cell research whether funded by the government or not. Most, but not all, of the democrats I know are in favor of murder of unborn children and murder of those who are deemed noncontributing members of society (euthanasia). And, perhaps with the most urgent issue of global terrorism facing us right now, most democrats are in favor of isolationism and retreating.
Yes, there are unethical and immoral republicans. There always will be. No one has ever said being a republican makes you a saint. The truth is, however, more republicans hold biblical values and therefore garner believing Christian's votes.
With the "values" of democrats I've listed above, how can we as a people of God call ourselves people of God and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, if we vote for men and women, democrat or republican, who hold values different from those God has given us? And, how can we blame this rotten culure on radio talk show hosts? This is ludicrous. Perhaps we need to reflect on ourselves, the people of God, who are called by His name, and humble ourselves and pray and seek His face and turn from our wicked ways. Then, we will hear from heaven.
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Re: Its Talk Radios Fault
| Posted On: 11/14/06 08:49:45 AM |
Age 45, CA |
Yes, it's true. Talk radio has has done it. They have talked the conservitive talk and tried to make us believe the Republican party is the oly party that should be. However, the don't speak the truth because they either don't know the truth or don't want us to knowit. Guess what? there are a handful of us who do know the truth.
I have listened to talk radio for years and enjoyed it. Up until recently that is, I've had to shut it off and go through my withdrawls because it is such a one side argument full of crap that I honestly can't listen to it anymore. I could go on and on but I won't.
The political party is a mess and "we the people" have become "we the puppets"! where have all the good men gone?
Thanks for letting me vent.
John R.
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You are absolutely right
| Posted On: 11/14/06 08:33:29 AM |
Age 27, FL |
Great to read your column - thank you. I've been telling this tale for years now - keep up the good work.
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