Re: Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/16/06 04:09:38 PM |
Age 41, NJ |
IF REALLY BOTHERS ME TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE CAN CALL THEMSELF A CHRISTIAN AND SAY THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO HEAVEN ACCEPT JESUS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS JESUS YOU DIED A BRUTAL DEATH ON THE CROSS FOR NOTHING . I FOUND ANOTHER WAY TO HEAVEN. SHAME ON EVERYONE OF YOU
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/10/06 05:46:43 PM |
Age 30, IA |
The unfortunate thing is that our president (who many "christians" look up to as some great man of God) also believes that God has created many avenues by which we can come to him and by doing so has denied Jesus who is the only door that can be entered into for eternal life! Billy Graham and other prominent "christian" figures have also chosen to enter onto this broad way of thinking which leads to destruction! It's a lot easier to go with the flow and take the path of least resistance than to follow the narrow pathway of the cross which represents suffering and self denial! Paul said that if he sought to please men he could not be a servant of the Lord!!!
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/10/06 01:25:01 PM |
Age 44, NJ |
SEVEN Diocese have petitioned to have her removed from their authority structure.
S E V E N
Patrick Burwell, OnlyJesusSaves.com
BTW: I can think of a few more examples of those who do, or have been caught, called a lie the truth in the Church, known in scripture as tares among the wheat, wolves among the sheep:
Ted Haggard
Jimmy Swaggart
Kenneth Copeland
Jimmy Baker
Every single Pope, Bishop, Cardinal and Priest of the Catholic Church
Jesse Jackson
Greg Laurie
Wayne Monbleau
(The list goes on and on...)
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/10/06 01:14:49 PM |
Age 44, NJ |
From the Author:
No, my friend. Our evangelism is not at all about being "right" but about pointing others to what we know is TRUE.
Whenever I speak to another concerning Jesus (Yeshua) I make a singular point between opinion and truth and like to us math as the perfect example of what is irrefutably true. Two plus two are always and ever shall be four. No opinion of anyone will change this irrefutable fact. You may call "four" something else, but the value derived from 2+2 cannot ever be subject to opinion, lest all the world's devices grind to a screeching halt.
No, my anonymous friend, Jesus is the only way to the Father, the only way to have our sins forgiven and the only way to be set free of all our fears (and in that order).
"Christ" merely means "annointed" and is only a descriptor of Jesus. Your comment, "There is no way to the Father except through the Christ, so all ways to the Father are also Christ, even when that is not overtly stated." is an argument from a lack of evidence, and resultantly is invalid.
There is no other name under heaven, given unto men, whereby we must be saved.
Patrick Burwell, OnlyJesusSaves.com
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/10/06 01:14:35 PM |
Age 44, NJ |
From the Author:
No, my friend. Our evangelism is not at all about being "right" but about pointing others to what we know is TRUE.
Whenever I speak to another concerning Jesus (Yeshua) I make a singular point between opinion and truth and like to us math as the perfect example of what is irrefutably true. Two plus two are always and ever shall be four. No opinion of anyone will change this irrefutable fact. You may call "four" something else, but the value derived from 2+2 cannot ever be subject to opinion, lest all the world's devices grind to a screeching halt.
No, my anonymous friend, Jesus is the only way to the Father, the only way to have our sins forgiven and the only way to be set free of all our fears (and in that order).
"Christ" merely means "annointed" and is only a descriptor of Jesus. Your comment, "There is no way to the Father except through the Christ, so all ways to the Father are also Christ, even when that is not overtly stated." is an argument from a lack of evidence, and resultantly is invalid.
There is no onther name under heaven, given unto men, whereby we must be saved.
Patrick Burwell, OnlyJesusSaves.com
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/09/06 04:11:31 PM |
Age 35, IN |
When the eloquent words of your post are compared to the clear truths of Scripture, it is obvious you have been deceived. You stated, "Our evangelism cannot be 'You are wrong, and we are right' but, your 'unknown God', your Allah, your Yahweh, your Manitou, is also the generous Father whose Son sacrificially cancelled all ideas of divine wrath or judgment." First of all, Allah does not have a Son (just ask any Muslim). Secondly, the generous Father's Son did not cancel all ideas of divine wrath or judgment; He satisfied them. He was the atoning sacrifice that met the righteous requirement of God's wrath. God, being a just God, could not just cancel His wrath, he had to satify it. Thirdly, there is only ONE Almighty God who is to be worshipped in spirit and in TRUTH (John 4:24). Any worship of any other god is false worship, plain and simple. Fourthly, When trying to determine which world religion is correct, there are only three possibilities: either biblical Christianity is correct and (specific religion) is wrong; or (specific religion) is correct and biblical Christianity is wrong; or biblical Christianity and (specific religion) are both wrong. Two differing religions can not both be right. A person who believes this contradiction is possible is not biblically grounded, no matter how eloquent the argument.
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/09/06 10:19:52 AM |
Age 40, TX |
Most of what you said is truth but there is heresy in what you say also. I am reminded what a great preacher said about rat poison...that it is 99.5% good food, but it's that .5% poison that will kill you. Quote "so all WAYS to the Father are also Christ" end quote. Aha, there it is, the hidden trap that nullifies Acts 4:12. I believe that Peter and John said this literally so they must have been literalists.
Man, in his unregenerate state CANNOT rationalize God's love with God's justice. They do not/cannot see or understand His mercy and His wrath. 1 Cor 2:14; 3:19
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/08/06 10:01:41 PM |
Age 46, NC |
and HERE is the truth. John 3:16-20 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed."
Want more?? here is MORE truth. Matthew 10:32-33 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven." as for your silliness about what Jesus said, well here it is EXACTLY John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Jesus was pretty clear on that. He didn't say i am ONE WAY. He said "i am THE way." there is only one way and if you STILL doubt what Jesus meant go back and read John 3:16-20 it's VERY clear.
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/08/06 09:15:54 PM |
Age 43, NC |
I don't think Patrick could have produced a better example to illustrate his point about liberalism infiltrating the church, thank you.
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/08/06 07:52:59 PM |
Age 34, VA |
I will pray for you, age 58, ON.
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Re: Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/08/06 12:06:34 PM |
Age 44, NJ |
From the author, Patrick Burwell:
The problem with your whole response is the assumption she is a Christian and that her "christ" is the one that saves. Clearly she has made a Christ to suit her desire to justify homosexual relations, which is adultery to God, to justify violating the First Commandment, making God whatever she chooses to believe and accepting anyone else's god instead of trusting in the God that IS, not gods that are not.
No my friend, I am not judging a Christian but am exposing a charlatan in a Bishop suit.
Patrick Burwell, OnlyJesusSaves.com
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Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/08/06 09:58:51 AM |
Age 58, ON |
This is a much more complex question than this article is able to describe. Why must some Christians immediately label those who disagree with them as 'apostate'?
Jefferts-Schori, and the Episcopalian Church, are not literalists; but then, literalism is a relatively new theological development in Christianity, and outside of the United States, very much a minority.
I think John-Julian, OJN, described it best:
John's plain and unadorned theological statement that
"God is love" was extended in our antiphon for the
Maundy: "Ubi amor, ibi deus" "Where love is, there is
God!" And we can say with the same certainty: "Where
love is, there is Jesus Christ." That same Jesus
Christ died not for some, but for all, and he has
brought the potential for the fullness of salvation to
every human soul - even those who because of some
accidental historical or sociological or prejudicial
circumstance don't happen to call him "Jesus" as we
do. He is the Way - that is, any human way to God is
Christ. He is the Truth - that is, every truth is
Christ. He is the Life - that is, every life is
Christ. There is no way to the Father except through
the Christ, so all ways to the Father are also Christ,
even when that is not overtly stated.
The difference is that the Christian sees all this
more clearly, understands it more deeply (though no
less incomprehensibly), calls him by his name, and
worships accordingly. And the Christian is joyously
eager to share that insight, that comprehension, and
that worship - not as triumphantly righteous or
rigidly exclusive or narrowly judgmental, but as
eagerly generous and utterly unselfish, so glad that
the joy can be shared lovingly (as is the very nature
of all true joy and love). Our evangelism cannot be
"You are wrong, and we are right" but, your "unknown
God", your Allah, your Yahweh, your Manitou, is also
the generous Father whose Son sacrificially cancelled
all ideas of divine wrath or judgment.
None of this "demotes" Jesus Christ in any way, nor
dismisses him as merely-one-among-many, nor by-passes
the Atonement. What it does is to recognize Christ's
infinite ubiquity, his universal mystical incidence,
his unlimited enfolding presence, and our own weak
inadequacy in comprehending the spiritually
immeasurable vastness that is the true Jesus Christ.
And if this is true between religious traditions, it
is thrice true within the Mystical Body that is Jesus
Christ. Whatever words you may use, you, oh eye,
simply cannot cancel me who am a foot. You may curse
me or despise me or refuse me a place at table, but
you cannot evade the fact that whether you like it or
not, we are and will always be one - inside the
mystical Christ. And since we are one, you simply
cannot live the Christ life without me, no matter how
much you may wish it. The Blood of Christ flows out
copiously and floods and drowns and washes all of us,
forgiving all our sins, enfolding all of us in divine
grace. And we are already one, just as the Christ and
the Father are one. And may whatever bogus falsehood
gives the lie to that cosmic truth shrivel and die!
And so may we go out and allow the Christ in us to
serve the Christ in every one of those others who
differ from us, who suffer, and who stand in want.
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Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/08/06 07:40:16 AM |
Age 44, OH |
Again, I agree with Patrick.
I knew the Episcopal Church was in serious decline, but this should scare the members enough to find another Church.
To read what she said makes me worry for the millions of lost souls in the US, who think being members of a denomination, and trying to do good, will gett hem to Heaven.
What is worse, they are betting their eternal soul on it. The Bible makes it so clear that even a thick headed person like me can understand it. Why do people choose to ignore the simple truths of the Bible? It must be because they do not read it.
Thank God for my Christian parents who taught me to read the Word of God, daily and think for myself.
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Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/08/06 04:49:11 AM |
Age 50, N/ |
This womans response to the question is Jesus the only way to heaven does not surprise me in the slightest. The Church of Scotland, the Episcopal Church, the Church of England are all in the same position. The reason is clear, the hellish ecumenical movement cannot be seen to acknowledge Jesus Christ as the only way to Heaven because they are in bed with Hinduism, Moslems and every other perverted religion! Their embracing of the Jesuit led ecumenical movement precludes them from preaching the true gospel that Christ is the ONLY way
As a Scottish Christian I have witnessed the compromise of our Lord in the land of the covenanters. I have just visited George Wisharts tree in East Lothian. Wishart gave his last sermon under the canopy of a tree that hid the gathering from the enemy of the reformation. 200 people listened to this man of God under its canopy. Wishart was captured by the papist authorities soon after and was burned at the stake for stating that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to God!
Brothers and Sisters in Christ, we are in the last days. Rejoice for your salvation is near. I am proud of the reformers and the covenanter of Scotland, it makes me sick to my stomach to witness their struggle being trashed by these compromised fakes. But on the other hand, my Lord Jesus Christ is coming very soon and He is their judge! Come quickly Lord Jesus.
For photographs of George Wishart's tree please contact me
gogsmac7@hotmail.com
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Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/07/06 04:07:27 PM |
Age 40, FL |
Thanks Patrick for doing the research and documenting the facts of what this "Christian" leader "believes."
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Re: An Answer to Katharine Schori, a False Witness
| Posted On: 11/06/06 01:36:40 PM |
Age 65, CA |
I agree with your article 100%. She is a part of the growing apostasy, so sad. It is obvious she does not believe in the Word of God.How can these people read the Bible and conclude there is another way to salvation?
Delusion,pure and simple.
You mentioned "judge not lest ye be judged" and I agree it means we can't judge their ultimate salvation, but we are to judge their teaching, test the spirits, be as the Bereans so we don't follow them over the cliff. The only way we can test the spirits is by the Word of God which seems to be in disfavor with much of the "christian " leadership. Sad, sad, sad, we need to be in constant prayer for them and ourselves.
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