Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/24/06 08:06:48 PM |
Age 61, TX |
If Islam rules the world, it will be all you mention and more. It has to matter to Christians because Islam is completely incompatible with Christianity. You can't separate their politics from their religion. If we're not one of them, we're infidels, and that includes all Christians, Jews, everyone, even their own, and they're told in the Quran to seek out and kill all infidels. Consider this passage, "Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." They're told to knock on the doors of heaven with the skulls of Jews. No one will be allowed to coexist with them. Recently a Fox News Reporter was captured with his camera man. I think it was in Gaza. A film of them tied up was run, at least on FNC. They were missing for a week or more. He said a knife was held to his throat and he was told they would behead him if he didn't renounce Christianity and follow Islam. He did make the statement they demanded, and was freed. If that sounds like the book of Rev., there's a good reason: Rev. 13:15 "He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed." Re: your statement, "the sort that Christianity has survived throughout its entire history (and that Jesus seems to think we should always expect)." I suggest the Revelation of JESUS CHRIST 13:7 "He was given power to make war with the saints and to overcome them." Please read all of Rev. 13!--better yet, read ch. 1 and then ch. 13. Because I'm pre-trib, it matters, because we need to lead all we can to Jesus, as if this was our last day to do it. I believe the saints in verse 7 refer to those who come to saving faith during the tribulation. To me it is a big deal!
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Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/24/06 06:24:20 PM |
Age 61, TX |
First, I take exception with your statement, "Christ is the God of this world." I John 4:4 "...the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world." That "one" in the world is a reference to SATAN. We have radicals in our country who are destroying all that we and our founding fathers consider sacred. They are statistically winning and they know it, it's just a matter of time. There are Islamic radical cells in the USA from coast to coast, and specific cities are listed in "Because They Hate," by Bridgette Gabriel. Many Christians have become out of touch, indifferent, lukewarm and tolerant. We have run out of cheeks to turn to the enemy. We tolerate their hate-filled preaching in their mosques and on street corners in the name of freedom of speech, yet a Christian would be slaughtered in the Islamic nations simply because he was Christian. Death threats are made against Islamic Americans who become Christian. Ask Ibrahim Abdullah of Dearborn, Michigan, who announced on Christian TV programming that he couldn't continue because his children's lives had been threatened! The Bible shows us examples of sinful nations that have been used by God to punish other sinful nations. In many ways, mostly through unfaithfulness to God, and moral decay, much of America is becoming a sinful nation. I believe the minute we forget God's words about the land He was going to establish through Abraham, "I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you," and "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem," God will remove His protective hand from America. Many denominations have already withdrawn support from Israel and won't even own stock in companies that sell to Israel. Yes, denominations are rich enough to own stock. If you want an update on the truth, read "America the Beautiful? The United States in Bible Prophecy" by Dr. David R. Reagan, and "The American Prophecies, Ancient Scriptures Reveal Our Nation's Future" by Michael D. Evans. Evans book was near being #1 non-fiction the last I knew. I encourage everyone to read them!
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Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/21/06 11:58:20 PM |
Age 53, OK |
Issues like this remind us of how critically important that we have proper respect and understanding for the authority of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation. There is no excused to biblically illiterate.
The Word tells us that no prophecy is a matter of any private interpretation and we're to study to show ourselves approved unto God, rightly dividing the Word.
Will Islam rule the world? Our understanding of biblical eschatology is critical to having a correct answer. Not that we can name names and set dates, but the big picture is clear.
And we cannot get a clear answer by embracing any kind of preterist perspective. It is exegetically indefensible.
What we can see is that there cannot be a one world religion that either includes Islam or co-exists with Islam; Islam shares religious rule with no one. It must conquer or be conqured. And it is unlikely that the end times world religion would be Islam. More likely it is Islam that rises against Israel and is crushed by Yaweh.
And while we're seeking a correct biblical perspective we must be diligent to strip ourselves of any mistaken ideas that confuse that which is American with that which is biblically Christian.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/13/06 12:09:33 AM |
Age 61, TX |
Reuben, I don't think anything has been said to get you to leave this site, but rather to reach you, help you to realize how biased and bitter you are toward Christians to be so young, and hope you'll try to figure out why. As for your word to me, "Don't believe everything you see on TV over there in the US of A (that includes "DVDs, Age 61 TX"!)," I couldn't possibly have told you on this website all the sources I have to document my statement. How about first hand confessions? Do they count in your eyes? Would gov't shutdown and conviction of terrorist funding businesses in the metroplex where I live count? In contrast, when I do visit with my Islamic neighbors, I know how their day went, how their kids are, we have each other's phone numbers for emergencies, so your statement, "See a Muslim in the street in your home town, and instead of pointing at them and saying "BOMB!" ask them how their day has been; I think you'll be pleasently surprised." is completely inaccurate. I'm very sorry about your mother's illness. You say it has taught you to enjoy life. I think most Christians would say to live every day like it was your last. I sincerely hope you don't leave the site or quit posting. Either way, I wish you well.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/12/06 05:48:33 AM |
Age 20, UN |
Give "Age 41, TX" a cigar, he figured out I was being sarcastic! In any event, after seeing how the sarcasm in my posts were completely missed and I ruffled a few feathers, I will politely leave this site. All sarcasm aside though; I will leave with this message: Don't believe everything you see on TV over there in the US of A (that includes "DVDs, Age 61 TX"!), and stop being so Islamaphobic, grey hair doesn't suit any of you. See a Muslim in the street in your home town, and instead of pointing at them and saying "BOMB!" ask them how their day has been; I think you'll be pleasently surprised. Now if you would excuse me, I'm off to the Kuala Lumpur night market where I'm meeting my Christian, Muslim and Hindu university friends for a Teh Tarik and a Roti Prata, maybe we'll have some New York Cheesecake for dessert! We're not worrying about the calories in the food, out of the five of us only James isn't going to hell, so I guess the rest of us had better enjoy our lives while we can. My mum has had cancer for 12 years: I guess if anything it has taught me to enjoy life. I reviewed this website on my podcast too if you want to hear. Thanks for the replies, it's been a fascinating discussion. Acceptance and love are out there for you, all you need to do is taketh and giveth some more. - Ruben S.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/12/06 02:07:28 AM |
Age 61, TX |
I'm very interested in what you said. I'm not Jewish but I've been learning from Zola Levitt for years, as well as Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum and others. Whether you call Him Yeshua the Messiah or Jesus the Christ, we're talking about the same one and only Savior, and He is a Jew. I'm aware that Messianic Jews are certainly saved, but I think of you as Christian. It's just another language, Messiah-follower and Christ-follower; for me there's no difference. Are you offended if someone refers to you as a Christian, or do you think it makes you less Jewish? I'm not challenging, I'd just really like to know, and will respect your answer. As for a remnant of Messianic Jews being the ones who call the Christ back to end the tribulation, are you referring to the 144,000? Could you please give me Scriptural references? End time prophecy is my passion. Peace, or Shalom, if you prefer.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/11/06 03:32:46 PM |
Age 61, TX |
Reuben, because all your posts on this topic have an odd edge to them, I've gone back and reread them, and drawn 2 conclusions.
(1)...You don't begin to understand the foundation of true Christian Faith, or Islam for that matter. We're taught to love the person, but that doesn't mean we have to love their wrong, destructive actions, whether it's mass murder, or hurtful slander. Christianity is spread through the desire to free others from the result of living without faith in Christ, both in this life and the next. You've stated that you "do not have to believe in God." While I doubt you've heard the true Gospel, I will still respect your right to make your decision, based on free will. Compare that to Islam. I have foreign practicing Islamic neighbors whom I love, and have a friendly 'front yard mailbox' relationship with. We love them as individuals, but we don't respect or love their Islamic version of a Reader's Digest-type magazine they received in the mail that featured worldwide Islamic celebrations after the Twin Towers mass murder! Incidentally, they tried to preach and convert us, knowing we are Christians. So CHRISTIANITY is spread through a love-based reaching out, yet respecting a person's free will. Our God died for us so that we may have eternal life! ISLAM is spread through force, terrorism, violence, murder, and eliminates free will. They openly preach hate, violence, and murdering Jews and all Israel, Christians, and all infidels! If your not Islamic, that includes you. They intend to take over the world, and that's not my opinion, I have seen DVDs of it being preached by their Imams in the mosques in the USA, and on the streets of London, NYC, etc. I know of one x-Islamist-now Christian from Michigan who currently has death threats made against his children! Their perverted fleshly version of heaven can be obtained by dying a martyr's death and murdering others for allah. In summary, our God through Jesus, died to save us. They have to die and kill others in the process for allah if they want his heaven. Now don't accuse me of hate for saying that! If you read the above, we love the individual but hate the deeds!
(2)...If you feel so negative toward Christianity, why are you spending so much time posting scathing replies? You must still be searching for something to fill a void within you, or you'd be doing something else with your time, especially if you're only 20 yrs. old! I have to wonder what has happened to you to fill you with so much sarcasm and bitterness. You said "Love is for losers! Rock on war and destruction!" Well, it depends on your definition of "loser" doesn't it? I expect you to chew me up and spit me out, but if you do I'll know I've hit a raw nerve in your soul. Still, I wish you well.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/11/06 02:31:00 PM |
Age 29, IA |
Thanks, but my post was addressed to "68, OH"
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/11/06 01:35:15 PM |
Age 42, TX |
Ive never seen a Christian terrorist. Muslim terrorists are on the news every day. And that was not hatred I displayed. That was revealing the truth to you. You and your friends are not feeling love about the truth because it is convicting you of the lies in your life. Truth is not hatred. Do you even know what your high school Muslim friends are being taught? You must not if you think they being taught to love and accept one another. They are the ones suicide bombing innocent people and starting wars. That is not love and acceptance. There is a God and not believing or accepting that is your choice, but if you accept God, you will live with Him eternally. If you reject Him, you will live eternally in hell. Its your choice.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/11/06 01:17:02 PM |
Age 41, TX |
Rock on war and destruction? Woah! Did you not just contradict yourself about the love and accept one another concept you originally stated? Or were you being sarcastic?-Is that love and acceptance? What you felt was not evil thinking about love and foolish. It is called conviction. When God created you, He placed within you a desire to long for Him. If you had never heard the Gospel, you would not be held accountable to your actions and judged before God. Having heard the Gospel, you are now accountable to your actions. You can reject God or accept Him. Its not only about how you live your life here on earth, but where you will live eternally. Accepting God as your Lord and Savior will allow you to live with Him eternally. Rejecting Him will lead to eternal hell. So the smashing of the Mosque windows and cutting the power from the Hindu Festival is only a radical Islam way of thinking. You cannot destroy evil. Christ has already destroyed evil when He went to the cross, was resurrected, and ascended into Heaven. Disagreeing with someone is not evil. Destroying peoples lives and property - out of the blue because you hate them and are jealous of them - with bombs attached to your body or with airplanes that is evil. That comment is not hatred or evil. It is hurt.
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Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/11/06 12:08:33 PM |
Age 42, KY |
I know this is knit-picking a bit, but "Christians" aren't the only ones not going to Hell... the Messianic Jews are saved as well. I am sure you knew that, but perhaps some of the readers of your post didn't. Just in case some readers didn't know, it is the Messianic Jews (a remanent of them) that actually calls the Christ back to end tribulation period and start the Millennal Kingdom of Yeshua the Messiah.
I liked your post otherwise.
Mark
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Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/11/06 10:10:13 AM |
Age 42, KY |
Not what I am saying at all. I am saying, no need to worry about things you can't stop or control. If you believe the Bible is the truth, and you have studied it a little bit, then you should have known that the True believers in the Christ, or anyone else for that matter, will be unable to stop the world from self-destruction, and "Christianity" as we like to call it, will not be the predominate way of life, until after the tribulation, when the 2nd coming of the Christ ushers in the 1000 year reign of the Christ. The article seemed to be alarmist in nature, and constructed in such a manner as if the author seem to think that we, by our own hands, can defeat Islam or secular humanism, which simply isn't scriptural. In my post I merely wanted to remind those who are maybe not as versed in the Bible as they should be, but believe in the Christ as being the beloved Son of the Enternal God YHVH, and that He is the only way for salvation, who was crucified, killed and resurrected on the 3rd day; those folks I wanted to remind that YHVH has everything in hand, and not to be upset by what is going on, as there is a happy ending for all believers. But as for discussing the current events, in a reasonable and calm way, I think is great, as long as we can keep a grip, and look at it all through the scriptures and covenants with YHVH. The books of the Bible that I noted in my initial post, really seem to explain the current events in the world. Pay particular attention to Isaiah Chapter 3, which again really sheds some light on what is going on with the world, especially the U.S. and Europe. As for yours or anyone else's faith, well that is something that is between YHVH and that individual. But to going around trying to stir folks up appears to be just a media ploy to try to persuade folks to read his article.
JMHO
Mark
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Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/11/06 01:53:56 AM |
Age 61, TX |
Reuben, you said,"I think the key to us all getting along isn't *tolerance*, it's love and *acceptance*. We all have different beliefs, and until we all finally accept this instead of trying to change or influence each other peace will *never* be a reality. That goes for all of us, not just blind, brainwashed terrorists. "Everybody get together, try to love one another." I'm against tolerance, if it means we have to dilute down our own beliefs and arrive at a communal stewpot of religion that no one really is happy with, I want MY faith system. But if you think that love, acceptance, and "Everybody get together, try to love one another" will bring peace, you're in for a huge disappointment. Nothing but the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will bring true lasting peace to the sinful world of today. We've been told so in the Bible. Blessings!
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/11/06 01:04:36 AM |
Age 61, TX |
To "29 in IA," yes, I'm agreeing with you. True saving faith can never be taught by the sword because it eliminates free will as most people know it. We know that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Now that is freedom! We send out missionaries, and they're the ones in danger, rather than the other way around.
Actually my response was to Mr. Koch who responded to you. In my opinion, his statement was so poorly put that it ceased to be what is Scriptural. I don't know why my response is in there twice, no doubt an error on my part. Regardless, Blessings to you!
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Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/10/06 10:55:22 PM |
Age 20, UN |
Haha, I guess there is no hope for me then. I felt evil thinking about Love after reading your post! How foolish of me. You're right, everyone who doesn't have your beliefs is evil. I'll go down the street to the Mosque tommorow and smash their windows for you. I can't stand to sit here idly by while evil takes over the world. Next week there's the Hindu Festival of the Lights too... I'll make sure to cut their power for the lights and parade so I can destroy evil. Then they'll see my belief is the only way to go and they'll all convert! Love is for losers! Rock on war and destruction!
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Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/10/06 10:47:01 PM |
Age 20, UN |
Not all cars are Ford Falcons, but all Ford Falcons are cars. What's your point? Reverse logic proves nothing. And if Christians are taught to love everyone, why did you display such hatred toward Muslims in *the same sentence!* Some of my friends from high school are Muslim, and they sure don't feel much love from you with those words. "...you must believe there is a God"... No I must not.
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Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/10/06 10:35:19 PM |
Age 20, UN |
Thanks for your feedback. You proved my point. You are claiming that Islam is an evil religion that preaches hatred to others, when you yourself as a Christian just displayed that very quality by saying that! I don't have a problem with people practicing their religion, but history has taught us that trying to impose beliefs on others has never worked and has only resulted in unrest, violence and hatred. The Prime Minister of Malaysia, a moderate Muslim, send Christmas cards to the Christian leaders of the country wishing them peace and hapiness, a few months prior he was doing the same thing for the Hindus and Bhuddists. The sooner we all accept we're different the world will be a better place.
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Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/10/06 09:47:05 PM |
Age 51, KY |
In Ibn Warraq's "Leaving Islam, Apostates Speak Out" a Pakistani apostate says "Where God recedes Allah procedes". Not that I believe God had receded from anywhere but this man's point is a good one: where faith in the one true living God fades then a false belief system like islam moves in to fill the vacuum. Look at how secular Europe is now being overwhelmed with muslim immigration and assimilation problems. Christians must be focused on expanding Christ's kingdom here and now. We must love, pray for, and evangelize our muslim neighbors. Let's be Christ's hands and feet. Taylor Mill Pete Psalm 112:7-8
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Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/10/06 09:46:32 PM |
Age 51, KY |
In Ibn Warraq's "Leaving Islam, Apostates Speak Out" a Pakistani apostate says "Where God recedes Allah procedes". Not that I believe God had receded from anywhere but this man's point is a good one: where faith in the one true living God fades then a false belief system like islam moves in to fill the vacuum. Look at how secular Europe is now being overwhelmed with muslim immigration and assimilation problems. Christians must be focused on expanding Christ's kingdom here and now. We must love, pray for, and evangelize our muslim neighbors. Let's be Christ's hands and feet. Taylor Mill Pete Psalm 112:7-8
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Re: Re: Re: Will Islam Rule The World?
| Posted On: 10/10/06 06:34:26 PM |
Age 61, TX |
While I completely agree that God is in control of His plan, I respectfully disagree with your statement, "Apostate Christ-en-dom under the leadership of the False Christ will rule the entire world for something like seven years..." I'll only paraphrase Scripture in my reply. During the FIRST HALF of the 7 yr. tribulation, an apostate church will exist and become worldwide. During that same FIRST HALF, the man who will be antichrist is not even recognized as such, he's seen as a great and powerful peacemaker, because he will have confirmed a peace covenant with many for 7 yrs., as it says in Dan. 9:27. He'll be held in high regard! But keep reading!!! Verse 28 tells us that in the MIDDLE of the 7, he'll put an end to (Jewish) sacrifice and offering, and set up an abomination that causes desolation on the wing of the temple. This will continue until the end that is decreed for him is poured out. See Mt. 24:15, and also Rev. 13:5-6, where it refers to the same time as 42 months. It's at this mid-trib. point that Rev. 13:7-8 tell us that he's given power to make war against and overcome the saints, and he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. The only ones on earth who won't worship him are the ones whose names are written in the book of life.
Re: The apostate church, I doubt your statement that "Apostate Christ-en-dom under the leadership of the False Christ will rule the entire world for something like seven years..." My conclusion is that it only has power during the FIRST HALF of the tribulation. I think that after the 1st 3.5 yrs., and the Antichrist has declared himself to be God, he'll be in conflict with the harlot church because she'll challenge his plans. She'll have to be done away with. Rev. 17:15-18 tells us that the waters John saw where the harlot sits are the peoples, multitude, nations and languages. This chain of words has now been used twice in my reply. Are they the same?The beast and the 10 horns (powers) will hate her, they'll bring her to ruin, leave her naked, eat her flesh and burn her. God has put it into their hearts to do His purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule. The woman is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.
So after the apostate church is destroyed at mid-trib, who's going to follow the man now revealed as the Antichrist? Who will force their ANTI-Christian religion on everyone with the threat of being beheaded if they don't? Who will do his dirty work and force the mark of the beast on men's hands or foreheads? What religion is looking for their 12th Imam to come on the scene soon? I just keep remembering that there was false religion long before the birth of Christ! Rev. 17:5 "This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Refer to Dan. 10:13, 20. Both refer to the prince of Persia. What religion prevails in that part of the world? What religion is the most opposite from true Christianity today? Daniel was told to seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end, and that many would go here and there to increase knowledge. The contrast to that is the book of Revelation ch. 1, which promises blessings to those who read, hear, and take to heart what is written in it because the time is near! Draw your own conclusions. Blessings
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