Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 10/02/06 08:46:33 AM |
Age 70, OH |
Just want to point out that this end time scenario is not Gods Plan, but the telling of it in the Bible is God foreseeing what Man will do. He gave dominion of this Earth, over to Man. God sees from the beginning to the End. Man is destroying himself.
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Re: Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 10/01/06 05:50:28 PM |
Age 29, IA |
Don't mean The DECLINE and Fall of the Roman Empire, by Gibbons?
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Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 10/01/06 02:15:43 PM |
Age 54, MN |
How easy it is to conclude by saying, "God is in control." While that is a true thing, it should not prevent and keep us from speaking out and getting involved in pursuing a resolution to this awful plan. Therefore, please let's stop apathetically concluding, God is in control when we still have the power to do something. Ultimately HE IS in control but don't forget, He has given us free will. Therefore, let us be busy to utilize our God-given freedom and abilities.
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Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/30/06 10:16:52 PM |
Age 48, VA |
I wonder if this is what the first President Bush meant when he said he wanted to create a "new world order"? Is the son finishing something his father started? I have heard many Bible commentators say that it is their understanding that the United States does not figure into the events of the end times, at least not any Biblical reference that can be definitely identified as the USA. I have heard several of them say that it was their opinion that the US would have declined from super-power status before the events of the end times take place. Looking at what is going on with Iran, N. Korea, and now the SPP and our own gevernment just makes me that much more certain that for us, time is short on this earth. I have no doubt that God's plan is unfolding exactly as it should, but it should make all of us that much more determined to carry the Gospel to every person everywhere. Time is short. Let's be busy with God's work!
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Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/28/06 12:28:11 PM |
Age 56, CA |
God is in control and this day for the United States had to come. It still leaves one with a discomforting feeling that the country who fought so hard for freedom and liberty is walking down a path of destruction. We as Christians also need to stand up and speak up for the freedoms and the liberty God granted this country and bring the Gospel back to the United States of America. We will be persecuted for our faith in Christ and we must prepare outselves for the battles to come for they will come sooner than we all want to believe. President Bush is an instrument of God and His plan for the world to come.
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Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/28/06 01:13:01 AM |
Age 69, OR |
How about the thousands giving what Jesus gave up to preserve our God given Rights under our constitution? Are there lives to be discounted? Freedom does not come without a price.
Government for the people and by the people.
Government in itself is evil by nature--The founders understood that--I pray for the guidance only god can provide for our leaders--they are not in his house today!
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Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/28/06 12:57:00 AM |
Age 69, OR |
Reguardless of your faith---we as Americans can not stand by and let this injustice stand. We have had two presidents who do not represent America. America can not sustain another CFR president.
If you are not up to par on CFR I suggest you get that way.
We are about to loose America --without a shot fired. Sad to say but intertainment is more important than FREEDOM to Americans.
We need to pull our heads out of the sand.
Partys to our politics only divides us.
There are Two partys???think about that!
We vote for representation--but the politicians have cut our choice to who they pick---Not or pick.
We blindly follow party lines. It is time Americans chose from the field--Not Partys.
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The rapture loophole
| Posted On: 09/27/06 09:38:08 PM |
Age 55, OR |
Good comment Sir. Also the actual article should encourage us all be "wiley as serpents.." That is, those of us who do no hide behind the skirts of a convenient prophesy-theory. Most of us, most of the time are raising our kids in the Lord, going to a Church where we study Scripture (preferably the KJV for reasons I will not discuss here), and pushing towards living a Godly and Right life. It is funny how many of us forget that the Lord God of Heaven and Earth is way ahead in our future looking back. His Word has stated and relesed the items we should know about from that perspective. Not in uncertain terms, but very clearly stated.
The Lord also allows us a hand in determining some of our own history I am sure, since He loves created endeavor and guides so many of our "discoveries". We love our child's first drawing, when we can actually recognise it from the previously scrawled blobs. How much more would our Fantastically Loving Father in Heaven love and applaud our stumbling creations. However, we have this dumb habit of being like SHEEP. So we do need a few limitaions and a lot of leading. Who has NOT felt the Rod of the Lord? Yet sadly, as the Creation Groans towards fulfillment (even as our kids grow old and eventually die). We watch from the perspective of HIS-STORY. History is reversed, if you like, from God's perspective. We can NOT escape it. It will happen. We have a hand in it. We can oppose Evil and we should. But finally, when the salt has lost its savor... Ah, then all becomes bland and innocuous and pointless and Godless and it will be, "thrown on the fire".
This is where Father steps in and grabs His kiddos just as they are about to be dashed on the rocks of human folly below, to be lost forever. We know it was human folly that got the Sin-Situation started in the first place. We also know that the Lord God cannot be our 'Father' unless Jesus is our Brother. So those without hope that may be instrumental in leading all of us to that rocky ledge have no Biblical foresight of the potential problems of any action. For us Christians to disseminate about the 'this and that' of secular government WITHOUT ACTION is a wonderfully foolish and wasteful passtime. For us to cower behind the 'beam-me-up-Scotty' mentality of pop-church-rapture is equally worthless. If indeed our President has made an unwitting error with this 'North American Union' thing, then it is good that it be brought to the light for all to see. He is still our President and it is RIGHT to afford him respect. I am from Britain and know, oh so well, what it is like to be drawn into the unholy alliance with European countries. Britain is a very sad and twisted place in many ways, yet there are still many Christains there that have not bowed the knee to Baal. Regrettably, in Europe, it is getting more and more difficult to be Holy, and Separate to the Lord, that's for sure! We in the USA still have a fighting chance to remain FREE. We should be good stewards of that chance, not lose our savor and not go the way of our European cousins who have lost that chance!
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Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/27/06 02:44:53 PM |
Age 57, NC |
I agree, but you can write all the artcles you want but this is all Gods master plan that has to take place as it is truly written in his Sacred Word. We just need to be ready for that day and not concern ourselves with these matters because we have no control at all and no real say so. Staying in the spirit of the Lord will occupy our souls. We must stay fed in the Word.
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Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/27/06 01:26:38 PM |
Age 43, FL |
Your statement about the mark of the beast ( what if we dont have a choice and its put under our skin without our consent?) I dont think god will forsake us then....I believe that this chip thing has already started, medically, and if they can read your mind, then we have no control over anything...what's the point? God will have to end something...But I believe he will not hold those accountable who did not wish to be part of this one world authority.I pray in HIS name.......
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Re: Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/27/06 12:41:33 PM |
Age 54, OK |
Of course our citizenship in Heaven is more important than in the U.S. While I don't agree with the plan in discussion and agree that NAFTA has been a dismal failure, I for one look forward to my Heavenly home. Now, more than ever I am getting a little homesick. While we in this life for only a little while, eternity means forever. The United States will become The Jesus States!
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Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/27/06 09:42:46 AM |
Age 62, KS |
Want to see where we are headed as a nation? Read Gibbons, "Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire."
In the 19th and very early 20th century, the Bible and Gibbon's monumental work were nearly required reading for anyone with aspirations for leadership or government service. Today, you may have a hard time finding a public library that has a copy of either work.
Someone once said something to the effect that "those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
It would appear that we have not only thrown God out of our government, our schools, many of our churches, and our society as a whole, but we have thrown out any desire to know what happens to nations and people when they do such things.
Never have so many been so foolish.
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Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/27/06 09:10:33 AM |
Age 84, NC |
Way To Go 49,WI -- This is not the first time that subvertives within the Federal Gov't have been at work at cross-purposes with the POTUS. Just take a look at what columnist Joel Mowbrey has written about the State Dep't at Town Hall archives. It will curl your hair and furnish much enlightenment...
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Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/26/06 10:39:03 PM |
Age 42, MO |
Wow! How trusting the young are. I hate to say it, but I find nothing sensible about that post. That we (Americans) would have the govenments of Mexico and Canada involved in in-depth knowledge of our own commerce and possibly act in a checks-and-balances role is not only dangerous, but utterly rediculous and frankly, scares me to death. As for academic and societal benefits, as always, that would benefit only the other two countries, not us. We give and the rest of the world lets us. As for being morally obligated? No way...why?
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Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/26/06 10:19:29 PM |
Age 59, MI |
This will be very bad for the propagation of the Gospel. Our rights to deseminate the Word of God will be curtailed, under threat of monetary penilty or jail time, because our Gospel will not be 'tolerated' by those in positions of power who wish to have us live under Mexican and Canadian laws. A time of persecution will have arrived in America.
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Re: Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts
| Posted On: 09/26/06 10:16:21 PM |
Age 62, TX |
Most of your stated eschatology cannot be found in any of my Bibles with the exception of the Scofield notes in his study Bible.
1. Being aware of just the vast numbers of believers beheaded down through the ages would lead me to believe that Jesus hasnt a plan to remove any great number of believers from persecution. If our accounting is correct, there have more Christian martyrs in the 20th century than in any other.
2. The only two scriptures using the term antichrist is 1 John 2 and 2 John 7. The term antichrist, we are told by John, are any who have come out from the believers denying the Father and the Son or Christ in the flesh. The meaning seems to be denying that Jesus is God.
3. There is not a single piece of scriptural support to connect the term antichrist with the 490 years of Daniel 9 or any other place in scripture as a title or proper name.
4. There is not a single piece of scriptural support to suppose the 490 years of Daniel were not consecutive or that there is a 2000 year gap after 482nd year.
Imposing any of your assumptions on scripture would require a new divine revelation. Reading the Bible rather than prophecy books designed around false paradigms might help ones biblical understanding. Study faithfully and be humble to the Spirits illumination. Old Glen gboydsmith@sbcglobal.net
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Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/26/06 10:15:13 PM |
Age 59, MI |
This will be very bad for the propagation of the Gospel. Our rights to deseminate the Word of God will be curtailed, under threat of monetary penilty or jail time, because our Gospel will not be 'tolerated' by those in positions of power who wish to have us live under Mexican and Canadian laws. A time of persecution will have arrived in America.
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Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/26/06 09:40:52 PM |
Age 49, WI |
Please concentrate on removing the secrecy so that we can react efficiently (hopefully to some original source documentation). Speculation about what has not been revealed can be a futile waste of effort. Journalism needs to pursue the useful information upon which we can take action. Must we wait for congress to expose this, or can we dig it up with other, reliable means?
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Re: Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/26/06 09:33:08 PM |
Age 62, TX |
Well! . . . Is it obvious that you dont consider your privileged citizenship in the United States of America to be more important than your citizenship in the Kingdom of God?
Questions on the Christian Worldview test should reflect the supreme loyalty one had to Jesus our Lord rather than Republicanism as lord. Way to go you traitor to earthly kingdoms. Old Glen gboydsmith@sbcglobal.net
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Re: The Bush Administrations efforts The Bush Administration's Efforts To Cover up the North American Union
| Posted On: 09/26/06 06:46:32 PM |
Age 54, AZ |
What a great opportunity God is providing for us Christians to serve Him in the cause of Christ. Just think how much easier it will be to present the gospel to our neighbors. Eternal life is a free gift! How much better can it get?
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