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THE EMERGING T.U.L.I.P....PRETENDING TO BE ORTHODOX



Posted: 03/28/07

The Emerging T.U.L.I.P.
...pretending to be orthodox

The Emerging/Emergent ecumenical movement continues to make inroads in the broader landscape of evangelicalism. From Southern Baptists to Reformed to Charismatics, their influence knows no bounds. Even mainline publishers known for producing orthodox literature and books are signing emerging personalities to produce "theological" works for them.

Well respected evangelical leaders have emerging personalities participate in their conferences--representing them as being thoroughly reformed and orthodox; even to the point of making light of their scatological speech and debasing humor that marks and defines the pulpit ministries of many of the emerging churches brightest stars.

But the most farfetched of claims is that the emerging/emergent seeker sensitive, ecumenical salesmen are Clavinistic--reformed in their beliefs. This constitutes nothing more than a superficial nod at the reformed faith, while the postmodern culture is the real driving force behind this movement.

Here is "Calvinism's TULIP" according to the emerging/emergent beliefs. (You may find a detailed explanation of the real TULIP here).


1. Total Ambiguity
Methodology over message
Truth is abstract; fluid, and liquid
Conversation over gospel proclamation
Ecumenism over doctrinal unity
Contantly inventing a new spiritual meta-narrative

2. Unconditional Pragmaticism
Seeker sensible and seeker sensitive
Whatever works-do it
Numbers justify everything
Program enriched
Felt need, culture-driven

3. Limited Theology
Doctrine diminished and not primary; it is the afterthought
Truth claims remain vague and undefined
No definitive agreed upon statement of faith
Very little biblical definition of ministry
Recommended reading lists of their networks remain liberal and pragmatic

4. Irresistible Contextualization
Truth must be adapted to and defined by culture
The audience, not the message, is sovereign
The focus is to be relevant and relativistic
Being missional is marked by methodological inroads, conversation, and cultural discernment of the times - not the proclamation of the gospel
Speak of the humanity of Christ in crude terms to make Jesus relatable over reverence of the transcendence of Christ

5. Postmodern Perverse Speech
Being known as the cussing pastor is good
Unwholesome talk is cultural not biblical
Coarse scatological speech is a matter of personal taste
It makes you cool to other Emerging/Emergents
If you challenge it, you are labeled as Victorian and out of date
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By Steve Camp

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Misspelling
Posted On: 06/23/08 10:43:25 AM Age 45, MI
You have misspelled the term _Calvinistic_ in the third paragraph. But the most farfetched of claims is that the emerging/emergent seeker sensitive, ecumenical salesmen are Clavinistic--reformed in their beliefs. This constitutes nothing more than a superficial nod at the reformed faith, while the postmodern culture is the real driving force behind this movement.



Re: Re: Re: Take a look please at TULIP #2
Posted On: 09/18/07 07:59:45 AM Age 55, CANADA
Jacobus Arminius didn't believe that Calvin was a "struggling" theologian. Look at what he said: "after the reading of Scripture, which I strenuously inculcate... more than any other... I recommend that the Commentaries of Calvin be read... in the interpretation of the Scriptures Calvin is incomparable... his Commentaries are more to be valued than anything that is handed down to us in the writings of the Fathers... I concede to him a certain spirit of prophecy in which he stands distinguished above others, above most, indeed, above all."

Re: The Emerging T.U.L.I.P....Pretending to be Orthodox
Posted On: 08/17/07 12:26:06 AM Age 32, AL
Excellent article, Steve. These points are right on target.



Re: Re: The Emerging T.U.L.I.P....Pretending to be Orthodox
Posted On: 04/20/07 10:20:42 PM Age 28, FL
I am amazed that individuals in America would present the King of the universe as being subjected to the decree and the will of man. From the presupposition of Scripture we are told that the word of the Lord will not return void and it will accomplish what it was set out to do. Moreover, in the book of Daniel, we are told that their isn't anyone that can push away His hand. Now, it would seem that their is a lack of Church history, which has been spoken. John Calvin was not the first to speak about limited atonement. My friend, you assume that your supposition does not limit Christ redeeming work. You limit the power of Christ's blood. I find this to be more unscriptural and a axiomatic belief that one impose on the Scripture than actually studying the Scripture for what it is worth.

Re: Re: The Emerging T.U.L.I.P....Pretending to be Orthodox
Posted On: 04/19/07 10:20:22 PM Age 25, FL
Yo, It would seem that your views on Calvinism and Calvin are more man centered and bias then anything else. Calvin was a man of his time which was very barbaric unlike our culture, so many impose our laws and mindsets on History. Heretics were burned and killed unlike in our culture. Sometimes I wish I lived in their culture (With a different skin color of course) b/c the false teaching that resides here in the America is ridiculous and shouldn't be tolerated. I guess you'd say Elijah was wrong for killing baal's prophets as well, perhaps. Also what do you think of Solomon, David, and Samson? They committed more devious sins then Calvin but would you question their Doctrine as well therefore throwing a couple books out of Canon? I think not. The article was on point and we must address the wolves in sheep clothing wherever they spring up. Hail King Jesus, seal



Re: Re: Circular reasoning??
Posted On: 04/19/07 07:44:02 PM Age 28, MD
What then does irresistible grace refer to?

Re: Re: Take a look please at TULIP #2
Posted On: 04/19/07 07:34:20 PM Age 28, MD
Please provide scripture references that show that only some are called.



Re: Re: Take a look please at TULIP #2
Posted On: 04/19/07 07:03:32 PM Age 28, MD
How do you know that you have not just made a free-will profession? And how do you know that your theology is correct?

Re: Circular reasoning??
Posted On: 04/09/07 11:34:01 PM Age 45, AR
Do not, have not, will not say that man has no choice. Go back and read my previous posts. Thus, no circular arguments, no disagreement with TULIP, no contradictions. I am arguing what Scripture teaches; to wit, God is sovereign and man is responsible. Both are real and compatible.



Circular reasoning??
Posted On: 04/07/07 12:03:43 PM Age 56, OR
I believe you have reasoned in a circle. I see now that you really DO dissagree with T.U.L.I.P. Since you agree that we were chosen before the foundation of the world, you have slightly contradicted your earlier comments. God must have 'chosen' me since I am here and able to CHOOSE back. Good comment. But, He also says that we may have a choice in the matter also. If you say that we do not have any choice, then this is erronous. PGW.

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